Out of chaos does emerge order. And then we have philosophy, which says all
things are not real but rather are hypothetically real... or hypothetically
real until proven otherwise... or metaphorical in nature. Now we get to
logic. There are two paths to chose from. Academia would say that we can
chose between what is logical and what is illogical. And I'm sure that not
much more can be said about this. There are probably entire cities that
could be filled with the books that have been writen on this dicotomy. I
can't give enough credit to a logician named Keith Devlin for providing me
with the key that unlocks this door. I call his logic intuitive logic and I
certainly don't mean that in a dirisive way. The next evolution in logic is
to incorporate pathelogic as the third leg of things pertaining to logic.
You know, it must be nothing less than a sin to have be exposed to the
principle of the 'safe bet' argument as a student at the vaunted university
establishment of The Georgia Institute of Technology because the 'safe bet'
argument is *definitively* pathological. Well, what it inexorbly leads to
is a theology which 'helps' academia rather than fights with it. Mine is
the only theology that does this so it should be something to consider
before insulting my intelligence. You're not paying me to hide my
impatience with you. I'm only going to say things one time. To bad if you
can't keep up with the rest of the class. Out of chaos does emerge order ...

kmurphy004@houston.rr.com wrote:

There are other choices, for example being skeptical, living in a state
of benign insecurity so that one is open to new evidence.

You have created a dualism that is not necessary and does not exist
except to further your peculiar agenda.

Grasping at the few straws you know, and by the way, barbiturates are
stuporous, not stimulating.

On Aug 16, 6:47 pm, kmurphy...@houston.rr.com wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:47:34 +0000, kmurphy004 wrote:

Out of ignorance does emerge knowledge.

'Chaos' is ignorance of order. Everything you speak of stems from a
internal process mistakenly seen as an absolute external assignment.

Some science and most religion share in this mistake.

............

!! says you...!!

On 16-Aug-2008, John wrote:

I disagree. Philosophy covers these bases, not logic.

I have created a dualism based on observation. Pathologies can be
undermined and replaced by logic.

On 17-Aug-2008, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:

Hmmm.... It might be helpful if you could give me an example, otherwise, I
will just have to guess. What I concluded after breaking up with my last
girlfriend was that being a peasant and being a sociopath cancel each other
out. Out of her ignorance emerged knowledge for me but not for her.

Or chaos is the denial of free will in which case the knowledge of order is
absolute. I take it you're not a big fan of chaos theory. I don't blame
you, science does kind of suck now that I think about it. I promise I'll
stop soon... (pinky swear).

Tsk, Tsk. I suppose it was too much to expect that you should respond by
asking me:

What is logical?

To which I would have responded:

Chosen by God is pathological and God is not omniscient is logical.

Well, you know, Steve. Did you see any of the 'Legally Blond' movies? Why
do some of these professors act like jerks? It is because they need 'order'
in the classroom to deliver their lecture in 'controlled' fashion. I
probably should have known that trying to address a topic on what amounts to
the theory of order would put my normally low key persona over the top. But
could you imagine a real professor employing some of the rhetoric I've
posted in a classroom lecture. He'd probably have a bunch of stone statues
for an audience.

On Aug 17, 12:47 am, kmurphy...@houston.rr.com wrote:

On Aug 17, 1:13 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:

Neither chaos nor order are a priori categories of the universe. Both
are ideas which are constructed, as is all knowledge through the
limits of our interpretive horizons and our ability to identify
"evidence".
It's al smoke and shadows.