> On 14 Aug, 04:17, Justintruth gmail.com> wrote:
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>> My understanding is that in a chaotic system a small error in the
>> initial conditions is magnified and results in a short time in macro
>> effects. I believe that it was first thought about in the weather
>> where a small computer error cased big changes in weather predictions.
>> Basically I think that originally people thought that if you just
>> measured very accurately the state of each point in the atmosphere and
>> had large enough computers then you could predict the weather but then
>> they discovered chaos and realized that even if they got down to very
>> small cells for initial conditions the macroscopic weather would still
>> be uncertain. The analogy was the butterfly. If a butterfly flaps its
>> wing it could shortly cause a hurricane-or something like that. See
>> chaos in the wiki. So if want to maintain a structure you would have
>> to have exact initial conditions or else the small deviation from that
>> would result in a macro effect and wipe out the whole organism. So if
>> you stored information it would become erased by uncertainty being
>> "pumped up" from the microscopic world into the macroscopic world. I
>> think there are chaotic aspects of life in branching of veins for
>> example but I think if an organism existed in a chaotic system it soon
>> would not. My understanding is that a structure is non-chaotic because
>> the elements either don't move or have limited motion relative to
>> them. Gases and liquids are chaotic. I am sure that must be an
>> oversimplification but you get the idea. If you raise your arm the
>> lower it and raise it again you end up back in the same place. If you
>> know where your hand was initially you can put it back there.
>> Presumably there are some kind of structures in the brain that are
>> persistent and not impacted by chaos.

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> Well, with powerful enough computers and satellites, it could be
> possible to measure even the movements of butterlfies.
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> But this is about how much information is stored in a structure, and
> there is an enormous amount data stored in weather dynamics, that is
> why it is so hard to process the full scale of it.
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>> I guess you could say that if you had a "structure" in a liquid and
>> then stirred it it would destroy the structure. I guess the question
>> of whether life can exist on thesunmight be related to the question
>> of whether life can exist in pure liquid form or in a gas form. Can
>> it? Does life require solids? Intuitively I think the answer is yes
>> but I don't think I could prove it.

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> Your consciousness is not solid, but a field of brain waves. Could a
> similar field of brain waves be generated from particles in a liquid
> or gas? I think so. Your brain is not completely solid, and I think
> name "plasma" for an ionized gas in physics, was chosen because it had
> similarities to blood plasma.