| Re: Can there be life on Sun? |
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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: ZanthiusZanthius Date: Aug 14, 2008 01:46
On 14 Aug, 04:17, Justintruth gmail.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that in a chaotic system a small error in the
> initial conditions is magnified and results in a short time in macro
> effects. I believe that it was first thought about in the weather
> where a small computer error cased big changes in weather predictions.
> Basically I think that originally people thought that if you just
> measured very accurately the state of each point in the atmosphere and
> had large enough computers then you could predict the weather but then
> they discovered chaos and realized that even if they got down to very
> small cells for initial conditions the macroscopic weather would still
> be uncertain. The analogy was the butterfly. If a butterfly flaps its
> wing it could shortly cause a hurricane-or something like that. See
> chaos in the wiki. Â So if want to maintain a structure you would have
> to have exact initial conditions or else the small deviation from that
> would result in a macro effect and wipe out the whole organism. So if
> you stored information it would become erased by uncertainty being
> "pumped up" from the microscopic world into the macroscopic world. I
> think there are chaotic aspects of life in branching of veins for
> example but I think if an organism existed in a chaotic system it soon
> would not. My understanding is that a structure is non-chaotic because
> the elements either don't move or have limited motion relative to
> them. Gases and liquids are chaotic. I am sure that must be an
> oversimplification but you get the idea. If you raise your arm the
> lower it and raise it again you end up back in the same place. If you
> know where your hand was initially you can put it back there.
> Presumably there are some kind of structures in the brain that are
> persistent and not impacted by chaos.
Well, with powerful enough computers and satellites, it could be
possible to measure even the movements of butterlfies.
But this is about how much information is stored in a structure, and
there is an enormous amount data stored in weather dynamics, that is
why it is so hard to process the full scale of it.
> I guess you could say that if you had a "structure" in a liquid and
> then stirred it it would destroy the structure. I guess the question
> of whether life can exist on the sun might be related to the question
> of whether life can exist in pure liquid form or in a gas form. Can
> it? Does life require solids? Intuitively I think the answer is yes
> but I don't think I could prove it.
Your consciousness is not solid, but a field of brain waves. Could a
similar field of brain waves be generated from particles in a liquid
or gas? I think so. Your brain is not completely solid, and I think
name "plasma" for an ionized gas in physics, was chosen because it had
similarities to blood plasma.
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