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Author: SannySanny Date: Aug 19, 2008 09:17
I know heat from steam is used by steam engine. But I am interested in
heat present in atmosphere.
Say in summer the temperature is 30' C. So the air is at temperature
of 30' C. Can we take out heat from the air and make them temperature
20' C.
Lets calculate with 4' C temp difference the energy. The energy we get
by reducing temperature from 29' C to 25' C.
Specific heat of air: = 716 J/ Kg
Density of air = 1.09 Kg/ m^3
So for a air in a Hall 5 m by 5 m and height 4 m The total air volume
is 5 * 5 * 4 = 100 cu meter.
Heat gained by decreasing temperature by 1' C = Volume * Specific heat
= 100 * 716 Joules = 71600 J
So we can get 710 KJ of energy from a hall by reducing temperature by
10' C.
Lets say after cooling the hall to 20' C If we open the windows and
doors So that again the hall temperature reaches 30' C. And we can
generate the heat energy.
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Author: hostlocalhostlocal Date: Aug 19, 2008 09:41
>I know heat from steam is used by steam engine. But I am interested in
> heat present in atmosphere.
>
> Say in summer the temperature is 30' C. So the air is at temperature
> of 30' C. Can we take out heat from the air and make them temperature
> 20' C.
>
> Lets calculate with 4' C temp difference the energy. The energy we get
> by reducing temperature from 29' C to 25' C.
>
> Specific heat of air: = 716 J/ Kg
> Density of air = 1.09 Kg/ m^3
>
> So for a air in a Hall 5 m by 5 m and height 4 m The total air volume
> is 5 * 5 * 4 = 100 cu meter.
>
> Heat gained by decreasing temperature by 1' C = Volume * Specific heat
> = 100 * 716 Joules = 71600 J ...
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Author: Mike Jr.Mike Jr. Date: Aug 19, 2008 10:11
On Aug 19, 12:17 pm, Sanny hotmail.com> wrote:
> I know heat from steam is used by steam engine. But I am interested in
> heat present in atmosphere.
[snip]
> Is there any way of getting the heat from environment for generating
> power?
Sorry, no free lunch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_heat_engine
"A heat engine acts by transferring energy from a warm region to a
cool region of space and, in the process, converting some of that
energy to mechanical work."
Where is your cooler region?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_efficiency#Efficiency
The theoretical maximum efficiency of any heat engine depends only on
the temperatures difference between the two heat sources that it
operates on. Sorry to disappoint “The Matrix” movie fans, but people
make lousy batteries.
--Mike Jr
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Author: dlzcdlzc Date: Aug 19, 2008 10:25
Dear Sanny:
On Aug 19, 9:17 am, Sanny hotmail.com> wrote:
...
> But the Big Question is that is there any way to get
> the heat from air and turn that energy into useful way?
Works good for drying paint.
> Is there any way of getting the heat from environment
> for generating power?
Not without a "cold sink". Heat is essentially "lost work", some of
which can be regained when it flows from hot to cold.
Consider the RTGs used by the Pioneer spacecraft. It used plutonium-
containing ceramic as the hot source, the 3 K background temperature
as a cold sink, and a thermopile to convert much of that waste heat
into electrical power.
And of course Nature does exactly what you suggest when she evaporates
water, let's it fall as rain, and lets it run donw rivers (where we
dam it and collect some of the work). And winds also derive from the
flow from hot to cold...
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Author: PDPD Date: Aug 19, 2008 11:44
On Aug 19, 11:17 am, Sanny hotmail.com> wrote:
> I know heat from steam is used by steam engine. But I am interested in
> heat present in atmosphere.
>
> Say in summer the temperature is 30' C. So the air is at temperature
> of 30' C. Can we take out heat from the air and make them temperature
> 20' C.
>
> Lets calculate with 4' C temp difference the energy. The energy we get
> by reducing temperature from 29' C to 25' C.
>
> Specific heat of air: = 716 J/ Kg
> Density of air = 1.09 Kg/ m^3
>
> So for a air in a Hall 5 m by 5 m and height 4 m The total air volume
> is 5 * 5 * 4 = 100 cu meter.
>
> Heat gained by decreasing temperature by 1' C = Volume * Specific heat
> = 100 * 716 Joules = 71600 J
> ...
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Author: Uncle AlUncle Al Date: Aug 19, 2008 12:11
Sanny wrote:
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> I know heat from steam is used by steam engine. But I am interested in
> heat present in atmosphere.
[snip resat of crap]
1) Carnot cycle efficiency
2) Idiot
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Author: TimberwoofTimberwoof Date: Aug 19, 2008 13:30
> So we can get 710 KJ of energy from a hall by reducing temperature by
> 10' C.
No, you can't. One of the laws of thermodynamics (you can look them up)
tells you the efficiency of any thermal-exchange system. It's a simple
formula involving the delta of the highest and lowest temperature in the
system and absolute zero.
Worse yet, trying to use body heat for anything means cooling off the
body whose heat you're trying to get. That would irritate me.
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Author: jjsjjs Date: Aug 19, 2008 14:00
Just let the livestock into the house at night. It will definitely heat the
house.
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Author: Darwin123Darwin123 Date: Aug 19, 2008 14:14
On Aug 19, 1:11 pm, "Mike Jr." comcast.net> wrote:
> On Aug 19, 12:17 pm, Sanny hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to disappoint “The Matrix” movie fans, but people
> make lousy batteries.
>
One of my least favorite movies. However, you missed the point.
The implication of the movie is that most of us are experiencing a
virtual world which has the illusion of being reality. We think we are
experiencing a real world, but it is only a software simulation that
mimics some aspects of the real world as it was in the distant past.
Note that the virtual world doesn't have to be synonymous with the
real world, but it vaguely resembles it. The space ship, the
Nebuccadnezzer, exists in the real world as it is now. The pods exist
in the real world. However, the real world has different rules than
the virtual world.
In the virtual world of the matrix, the laws of physics as known
by scientists (also in this illusion) usually apply. Some people have
learned "software errors" that enable them to violate these laws in
specific ways. ...
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Author: dlzcdlzc Date: Aug 19, 2008 15:44
Dear jjs:
On Aug 19, 2:00 pm, "jjs" wrote:
> Just let the livestock into the house at night. It will
> definitely heat the house.
Some Native Americans would dig a pit, bury manure, and cover it over
with clay. Then they would pitch their tents over this biological
heater for the winter.
David A. Smith
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