On Jul 30, 2:00 pm, "Rod Speed"
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>> Rod Speed
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>>>> Rod Speed
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>>>>>> Rod Speed
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>>>>>>>> Rod Speed
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>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed
gmail.com> wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe that since we have never observed ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runnig out of oil in the past then we can't run out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil in the future? ?That is what "empirical" means, dimwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The state of denial of rightards is America's ball and chain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only "denial" here is entirely yours - based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> total ignorance of economics and the dynamics of markets.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of ignorance of markets, did you ever figger out
>>>>>>>>>>>> why not one single "market" economist at Hoover, Heritage,
>>>>>>>>>>>> American Enterprise, the Chicago School, etc., can answer
>>>>>>>>>>>> the simple question: "Does free speech precede each and
>>>>>>>>>>>> every free trade?"
>>>>>>>>>>> Pathetic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (This of course assumes that markets are allowed to operate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freely, which unfortunately in energy production they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not - and *that* is more the source of the problem than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else).
>>>>>>>>>>>> True, taxpayers are massively subsidizing Dumbya's
>>>>>>>>>>>> oil theft quagmire to the tune of $100 billion a year.
>>>>>>>>>>> Its got nothing to do with oil theft.
>>>>>>>>>> Right, it was about WMDs. Oh wait, there were no WMDs.
>>>>>>>>>> It was about terrorists! Oh, right, Al Qaeda wasn't there
>>>>>>>>>> until you invited them. Meanwhile Canadian soldiers are
>>>>>>>>>> dying because you aren't pulling your weight in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>> (20,000 troops in Afghanistan vs. 160,000 in Iraq)
>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan clearly wasnt about oil, they have no oil, fool.
>>>>>>>> Never said it was, idiot. And the fact that the have no oil
>>>>>>>> explains why you have so few troops there, doesn't it?
>>>>>>> Nope. Its a hell of a lot easier to just do what needs to be
>>>>>>> done from the air there, fuckwit.
>>>>>> Yeah, which is why Osama Bin Laden is still at large.
>>>>> He's completely irrelevant. All of his henchmen are either
>>>>> dead, in Gitmo, or hiding in some hole in the ground etc.
>>>>>> You can't win a war from the air, stupid.
>>>>> Have fun explaining the first Gulf War, fuckwit.
>>>> Oh really, we didn't have ground troops in the first Gulf War, idiot?
>>> Didnt use them to do anything much useful, fuckwit.
>> Other than to chase Saddam's troops out of Kuwait.
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> Didnt do that either. They pulled out after Iraq was fucked over from the air
> very comprehensively indeed, and those who pulled out of Kuwait were fucked
> over from the air very comprehensively indeed on the road to Basra, fuckwit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
"Shortly afterwards, the U.S. VII Corps assembled in full strength and
launched an armoured attack into Iraq early Sunday, February 24, just
to the west of Kuwait, taking Iraqi forces by surprise.
Simultaneously, the U.S. XVIII Airborne Corps launched a sweeping
“left-hook” attack across the largely undefended desert of southern
Iraq, led by the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment (3rd ACR) and the 24th
Infantry Division (Mechanized). The left flank of this movement was
protected by the French 6th Light Armored Division (which included
units of the French Foreign Legion). The fast-moving French force
quickly overcame the Iraqi 45th Infantry Division, suffering only a
handful of casualties, and took up blocking positions to prevent any
Iraqi force from attacking the Allied flank. The right flank of the
movement was protected by the British 1st Armoured Division. Once the
allies had penetrated deep into Iraqi territory, they turned eastward,
launching a flank attack against the Republican Guard."
Yeah, sounds like a whole lot of nothing, retard.
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>>>> Better reread your history.
>>> No need.
>> Because you never read it the first time. Got it.
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> The only thing you've ever got is your dick in your hand, wanker.
OOooohhhh, you're soooooo clever.
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>>>>>> Sooner or later, you need to put boots on the ground.
>>>>> Have fun explaining the first Gulf War, fuckwit.
>>>> Where we put boots on the ground, moron?
>>> Didnt use them to do anything much useful, fuckwit.
>> Other than fight the enemy.
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> Didnt happen.
"Forces from the United States, the United Kingdom, and France
continued to pursue retreating Iraqi forces over the border and back
into Iraq, moving to within 150 miles (240 km) of Baghdad before
withdrawing."
Want to try that again, moron?
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>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, we're getting tired of defending your country
>>>>>>>> for you if you're not interested in pulling your weight.
>>>>>>> It aint even my country, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit clown.
>>>>>> And what country would that be?
>>>>> The one you referred to, clown.
>>>> Let me try asking again in moronese. Where. Are. You. From.
>>> None. Of. Your. Business.
>>> You've. Been. Told. All. You. Need. To. Know.
>> Yes, I have. You're obviously pretty fucking stupid,
>> so I'll just assume that you're an American.
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> Stupid assumption, fuckwit.
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>> That's usually a safe bet.
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> You've lost that bet, fuckwit.
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Well, you're certainly stupid enough to be an American, so I'll just
keep going with that one.
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>>>>>>>>>> It was about getting rid of a vile dictator! For some reason
>>>>>>>>>> you ignored the one in the Sudan who just finished killing
>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of thousands of people even though it would have
>>>>>>>>>> been far easier.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, there wasnt the excuse of WMDs with Sudan.
>>>>>>>>> The US did however make a spectacular fool of itself in Africa
>>>>>>>>> where there was no oil involved and Beirut in spades. And
>>>>>>>>> Haiti, etc etc etc.
>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't about the oil, no sirreee. Which is why the first
>>>>>>>>>> thing you did when you invaded was occupying the oil fields,
>>>>>>>>>> while letting the enemy get their hands on thousands of tons
>>>>>>>>>> of high explosives. How
>>>>>>>>>> many tanks were surrounding the oil ministry building again, I
>>>>>>>>>> lost count. Too bad Dubya forgot that it takes a $10 stick of
>>>>>>>>>> dynamite and
>>>>>>>>>> one unguarded foot out of a hundred miles to take out a
>>>>>>>>>> pipeline.
>>>>>>>>> Same thing happened in the first gulf war in spades and it
>>>>>>>>> wasnt about oil, it was about the invasion of Kuwait and the
>>>>>>>>> US pulled out as soon a Saddam was kicked out of Kuwait.
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, Iraq was definitely about the oil
>>>>>>> Nope, which is why the shrub's dad had enough of a clue to not invade it.
>>>>>> Maybe he was smarter than Bush Jr.
>>>>> Clearly he was, fuckwit.
>>> Not hard tho.
>>>>>>>> which is why the US is still there.
>>>>>>> Nope. Once they have pissed that much money and so many lives against
>>>>>>> the wall, they arent stupid enough to pull out now and make it obvious to
>>>>>>> stupid ragheads all over the world that if you hold old long enough, the US
>>>>>>> will just scuttle back to where it came from with its tail between its legs.
>>>>>> Uh huh. Tell it to North Vietnam.
>>>>> Irrelevant to Iraq, fuckwit.
>>>> THe point is, the world already knows you talk bigger than you fight.
>>> Nothing to do with me, fuckwit.
>> You're irrelevant to everything, retard.
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> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
I'm sorry, was that supposed to be coherent?
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>>>>>> The world already knows that Americans talk bigger than they fight.
>>>>> The world has noticed that they did fuckover Saddam very comprehensively indeed
>>>>> in the first Gulf War and then got rid of him very quickly indeed in the next one too.
>>>> Yeah, and Iraq is suuuuucccccchhhh a peaceful place now.
>>> Thats the stupid rag head's problem.
>> Noooooo, now it's YOUR problem.
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> Nope, nothing to do with me or my country, fuckwit.
Sure it does, Yank.
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>>>> The world knows you fucked up,
>>> Bit hard when I wasnt involved, fuckwit.
>> Sure you were.
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> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, fuckwit.
You wish.
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>>>> and is laughing at you.
>>> Nope, at your pig ignorance, actually.
>> Riiiigggghhhhttttt....like they're still laughing at France for telling you there weren't any WMD's.
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> France never told me or my country anything of the sort, fuckwit.
Yeah they did. So did Germany, Russia and the UN. Guess what, they
were right and you were wrong.
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>>>>> Bet that had russian generals shitting their pants for years.
>>>> LOL! Yeah, right. Only because you had the
>>>> rest of the world helping you out in the first one.
>>> They were all completely irrelevant to the result.
>> Bullshit.
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> Fact.
"United Kingdom
The United Kingdom was numerically the largest European nation to
partake in combat operations during the war. Operation Granby was the
name for the operations in the Persian Gulf. British Army regiments
(mainly with the British 1st Armoured Division), Royal Navy vessels,
and Royal Air Force squadrons were mobilized to the Gulf. The Royal
Air Force, using various aircraft, operated from airbases in Saudi
Arabia. Almost 2,500 armoured vehicles and 43,000 troops[6] were
shipped for action.
Chief Royal Navy vessels deployed to the gulf included a number of
Broadsword-class frigates, and Sheffield-class destroyers, other RN
and RFA ships were also deployed. The light aircraft carrier HMS Ark
Royal was not deployed to the Gulf area, but was deployed to the
Mediterranean Sea.
[edit] France
The second largest European contingent was from France, with 18,000
troops.[6] Operating on the left flank of the US XVIII Airborne Corps,
the main French army force was the 6th Light Armoured Division,
including troops from the French Foreign Legion. Initially, the French
operated independently under national command and control, but
coordinated closely with the Americans, Saudis and CENTCOM. In
January, the Division was placed under the tactical control of the US
XVIII Airborne Corps. France also deployed combat aircraft and naval
units. The French called their contribution Opération Daguet.
[edit] Canada
A column of M-113 APCs and other military vehicles of the Royal Saudi
Land Force travels along a channel cleared of mines during Operation
Desert Storm, Kuwait, 1 March 1991.
A column of M-113 APCs and other military vehicles of the Royal Saudi
Land Force travels along a channel cleared of mines during Operation
Desert Storm, Kuwait, 1 March 1991.
Canada was one of the first nations to agree to condemn Iraq's
invasion of Kuwait and it quickly agreed to join the U.S.-led
coalition. In August 1990, Prime Minister Brian Mulroney committed the
Canadian Forces to deploy the destroyers HMCS Terra Nova and HMCS
Athabaskan to join the maritime interdiction force. The supply ship
HMCS Protecteur was also sent to aid the gathering coalition logistics
forces in the Persian Gulf. A fourth ship, HMCS Huron arrived in-
theatre after hostilities ceased and visited Kuwait.
After the UN authorized full use of force against Iraq, the Canadian
Forces deployed a CF-18 squadron with support personnel as well as a
field hospital to deal with casualties from the ground war. When the
air war began, Canada's CF-18s were integrated into the coalition
force and were tasked with providing air cover and attacking ground
targets. This was the first time since the Korean War that the
Canadian military had participated in offensive combat operations.
[edit] Norway
In recent years, the work of Norwegian intelligence personnel of
during the Gulf War has become public.
Norwegian intelligence personnel, at a listening post in the North of
Norway, were in secrecy presented with high ranking awards for their
work in saving shot down American pilots during the Gulf War.
During the Gulf War, 63 American pilots were shot down. Rescuing the
12 downed pilots trapped behind enemy lines was a very high priority
and the United States devoted a large amount of resources to doing so.
The pilots were fitted with emergency beepers, so that the Americans,
via satellite could locate them.
However, the USA satellite coverage was not always present and
American officials, refusing to leave any man behind, started looking
around for other methods of locating their pilots. It was then that a
small listening post located in Norway, above the Arctic Circle proved
helpful. The Norwegian listening post continually listened to Soviet
spy satellites, which received the signals from the American pilots
without a problem. The Norwegian intelligence personnel "stole" the
information they got by spying on the Soviet satellites and forwarded
it to American personnel which could then get into the war theater at
the correct location and save the pilots.
Several American pilots were saved because of this listening post in
Norway. The personnel received diplomas signed by US President George
H. W. Bush himself.[36]
Norway also deployed a Field Medical Company as part of Operation
Granby from January to May 1991. About 230 strong, this Army unit was
stationed in Al Jubayl for the duration of the war supporting the
British units. Luckily, the unit had very little medical work to do
with allies, but some Iraqi injured were sent there. There was plenty
of scope for preventive public health work for which the unit was also
equipped.[37]"
Yeah, sounds real irrelevant.
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>> The reason your air war went so well
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> The air war had nothing to do with me or my country, fuckwit.
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If you say so, Yank.
>> is that the Swedes sabotaged the Iraqi radar system for you.
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> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
> never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
Do you even know what the word "superfluous" means, moron?
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>> They made way more of a contribution than your shitty
>> Patriot missiles which couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
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> Thats not what the fucking over of Iraq from the air was about, fuckwit.
I'm sorry, was that supposed to be coherent?
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>>>> Good thing the Swedes sabotaged the Iraqi radar for you,
>>> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.
>> Nope.
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> Yep.
Nope. Fact.
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>> Iraq made the mistake of buying it's radar components
>> from Sweden. The Swedes put in chips with embedded
>> code designed to shut down on the night of the invasion.
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> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.
Nope. Learn your history.
By the way, if you're not a Yank, how come you're cheerleading them?
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>> Saddam's MIGs were flying blind
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> They didnt even fly, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit clown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-25
During the Persian Gulf War, a US Navy F/A-18 piloted by Lt Cdr Scott
Speicher was shot down on the first night of the war by air-to-air
missile[8] fired from most likely a MiG-25.[9] The kill was reportedly
made with a R-40DT missile fired from a MiG-25PDS flown by Lt. Zuhair
Dawood of the 84th squadron of the IrAF.[10]
"In another incident, an Iraqi MiG-25PD, after eluding eight U.S. Air
Force F-15s, fired three missiles at EF-111 Raven electronic warfare
aircraft, forcing them to abort their mission. This may have led to
the later loss of an F-15 to surface-to-air missiles, due to the lack
of electronic jamming.[11]
In yet another incident, two MiG-25s approached a pair of F-15s, fired
missiles (which were evaded by the F-15s), and then outran the
American fighters. Two more F-15s joined the pursuit, and a total of
ten air-to-air missiles were fired at the MiG-25s, though none reached
them.[12] According to the same sources, at least one F-111 was also
forced to abort its mission by a MiG-25 on the first 24 hours of
hostilities, during an air raid over Tikrit.[13]
Two MiG-25s were shot down by USAF F-15Cs during the Gulf War. After
the war, in 1992, a U.S. F-16 downed a MiG-25 that violated the no-fly
zone in southern Iraq."
Sounds to me like they were doing plenty of flying, dumbass. Learn to
read.
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>> and easy prey for coalition fighters.
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> They didnt even fly, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit clown.
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See above.
>>>> or it wouldn't have been such a cakewalk.
>>> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.
>> Nope, somebody who bothered to learn a little about what they're talking about,
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> Obviously not when you're so stupid that you havent even noticed that Saddam's MIGs didnt even fly, fuckwit.
I didn't notice that, because as I've shown, they did fly. Fuckwit.
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>> dipshit Yank.
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> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.
Yeah right.
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>>>> When you don't have someone to show you how
>>>> it's done, you're pathetic. Ask North Vietnam.
>>> Ask Saddam, fuckwit.
>> Ask Osama Bin Laden too, while you're at it.
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> He's completely irrelevant. All of his henchmen are either
> dead, in Gitmo, or hiding in some hole in the ground etc.
LOL! Yeah, tell it to the Spanish or the British. How many died in
those attacks?
How many tapes has he sent out to his people? He sounds pretty good
for a dead man.
Tell the Yanks that Al Qaeda is no longer a threat, then watch them
laugh at you.
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>>> And just what have you fuckwit canucks actually managed in the last 50 years eh ?
>> We stopped WW3 from breaking out over the Suez Canal,
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> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.
Nope. History. If you weren't a complete ignoramus, you'd have read
about it long ago.
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>> Your war record
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> You're so stupid that you cant even work out which is my country, fuckwit.
You're stupid enough to be a Yank, and you constantly support them, so
who the fuck cares. If you're not a Yank, you're close enough to one
so that it doesn't matter.
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>> is so pathetic that Reagan decided to invade Grenada
>> just so you could put one in the "win" column. And you
>> nearly fucked that one up! LOL, what losers.
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> They did a hell of a lot better in the first Gulf War than you fuckwit Canucks have ever done in any war, fuckwit.
You only kick ass when you've got Canadians around to hold your hand.
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>>> Nothing, nada, ziltch, not a fucking thing.
>>>>>>> Thats only feasible with a tiny little operation like Somalia where hardly anyone will notice.
>> Oh yeah, you fucked that one up too, didn't you?
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> Nope, not even my country, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit clown.
CLose enough. Loser.
