Re: BUDDISIM, A DEBUNKED RELIGION

Hello

I am a Muslim and I want to talk about Buddhisim vs. Islam. I found
your
address from a Buddhist Group, Site.

Dear computer user Buddhists !!!

You use computers programs and networks built by programmers or System
Admisintrators. But do never forget these important points;

This Universe is a dazzling (marvelous) computer. It has a Great
Programmer
who has created all things and the earth in the Universe and for the
earth
He has built the sun as a " power source " and the moon as a "
system clock
".

This power source has never been shutdown, and this system clock has
never
been corrupted. Therefore this demonstrates the Science and the Art of
the
Programmer.

This One is also a so exalted programmer who has written a life program
for
our earth and it has been running for more than 100 thousands of years
without any " error " and " crash " If you want to realize how a
Great
Programmer " He is first look at yourself. He located your all data
in a
tinny cell that cannot be seen by your naked eye, and He is executing
the
program in it.

Since DNA is an obvious 3D program, and any program cannot be written
out of
a programmer, the computer programs that you use are also product of
skills,
but if they are compared with the Glorious One's (Universal Program),
yours
like a mirror reflection.

Moreover as He makes your cells talk and communate with eachother on
trillions protocols in the network, He has given you all your needs so
He
makes you talk with other people, makes you smile and listen.

He has prepared light and voice in order that you can be aware of
everthing
around your environment, but you cannot add any new device without His
Permission. For this reason there is a so Great One, The Network Expert
who
knows your all needs and gives the hard wares that you need. What you
can
do as a network administrator (or an end user), is very tinny, if it is

compared with the Science (Wisdom) of the Network Administrator of the
Universe. Yet it is a great favour for you. He has created natural
beauties,
greeen plants colorfull flowers, delicious fruits (and all kinds of
food)
for your amusing. What is more He has endowed extra senses that have
not
been used in your computer systems yet. Tasting, touching and smelling.
In
the green leaves, there are perhaps quadrillion x quadrillions of micro

chemical factories that decompose lifegiving oxygen from karbondioxside
(and
monoxide).

He has created you from a single cell, zygot (two halphoid cells),
shaped
your body giving your balance etc. that has not been reached by any
robotic
technology yet.

(In fact this match is not sufficent. Even the computers having the
most
developed technology are extremly shallow when they are compared with
the
electrochemistry in the human brain and nerve system (cells). What is
more
the universe, solar systems are much greater and indeed much far from
this
comparing)

This One is the Owner and the Absolute King of the whole Universe from
the
earth to the heaven, from the atoms to the stars, from the begining to
the
end.

It is completely invalid to say " I do not obey the Master, Programmer
of
the Universe, I only obey Buddha Statues and Buddhisim words the way it
is
baloney to have a Buddha statue picture in your computer by saying "
I do
not obey any programmer, but I only thurst in this Buddha Picture ".

Because the Creation of the Lord is an Open Truth.

However according to Buddhisim many questions regarding the universe,
existence, and life cannot be replied.

Since it has no longer enough for any explanation of that power to
consider
only the existance of the universe, as Buddhism did not even mention
ages
ago (and as popularizers of Buddha continue to do today). Each of the
steps
and structures that Buddhists have said (for the universe and the life)
were
so simple actually involves staggeringly complicated biochemical
processes
(of the living beings) that can not be papered over with rhetoric.

Regarding Buddisim. I have never wanted to insult to your religion. I
see
that you Buddists have Buddha Statues to pray or etc.

But we see the universe by examining. Our earth can never be compared
with
any Buddha statue (on account of size, volume). Yet our earth is very
small
if it is compared with the Sun. The immense Sun is very tiny when it is

compared with our Galaxy. Our Galaxy is very small (like a dust), if it
is
compared with giant Galactic systems.

Since this is the fact, since we live in the Universe whose size is so
immense and cannot be imaged, and since in it there are Supernovaes,
Novaes, Black Holes, Quasars, Nebulas, Red Supergiants, then surely the

budda statues and buddhisim are NOTHING when they are compared with
that
beings in the universe.

According to Muslim faith we believe in the existence of the One,
Unique,
Incomparable, Merciful God (Allah) - the Sole Creator. He creates and

sustains all things in the Universe. He is our Cosmic Designer (The
Creator
of the Universe) and He capable of creating the dazzling array of
living
things, Universe is great beyond all imagining. He is Higher than all
things. As it is stressed in the Qur'an (Muslim Holly Book Sent By
Allah to
Prophet Muhammed (SAS) : HE IS THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE
EARTH.
(SURAH ASH-SURA: 11)

You believe in the existance of the Paradise (after death). But one
cannot
be in the Paradise,unless that one yields to our Cosmic Designer.
According
to Islam there is no re-incernation. People are sent to the World at
once.
And they are given enough time to choose the true path. After they die,
they
are re-created and Judged. (On the Day of Judgement).

According to your belief. You can say " we will be in the Paradise
according
to our deeds, but Buddhisim says there is no Creator ". Then who can
send
you to the Paradise? Who will judge you? Who will decide whether your
dees
are good or bad? Your reply is " that is the Cycle of the life".
According
to you all events in the Universe, birth, death,(the life) other beings
are
due to the Cycle and it is not created, it is all natural. In fact it
can't
be true. Why?

Because:

We can examine the cycle of a circle (wheel) We know the circles
(wheels)
are designed on the computers by the engineers, Let us take an example
a
Jeep wheel. ( Land Rover-4x4) whose diameter is about 80cm. Its tire
and
rim are programmed on the computers, by the engineers due to very
significant balance, calculation and measure. Tire tracks are designed
according the road and weather conditions e.g ice, snow, desert, rain
etc.
(Goodyear, Continential) , the rim is similar, suitable metal alloy is
programed and produced. This demonstrates and shows an intelligent
engineer,
programmer (designer).

Then in the universal cycle there are billions of galaxies revolving in

their centre. In only our galaxy there are about 200 billion stars
revolving
very fast and having so great sizes with their termonuclear operations
internaly (such as the sun is about 1.300.000 times greater than the
earth,
it is an average yellowish star with a temperature 5500 C. Massive hot
stars
are blue-white and glow at 10.000 C. Such stars rapidly consume
themselves
as their hydrogen converts to helium like a termonuclear reactor) by
traveling in their orbits according to perfect order (protoplanetary
disk
and accretion disk of embrionic solar systems in which new planets are
born), giant nebulas, novaes etc.

Considering the earth it is propelled in the space among formidible
conditions for instance very hot stars, stellar wind, cosmic radiatoin,

meteors, frozen cold zones of the space, In spite of all these
difficulities, there are thousands of species plants and animals living

because of perfectly designed physical and biochemical cycles (cycle of

seasons, carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle, our athmosphere layer, Van Allen

magnetic shield of the earth that protects us from Electron winds),
much
perfect, greater and larger than the Cycle of Jeep's wheel of course.
So
this shows the Engineer and Designer of the Earth and the Universe, the
all
Wise and the Most High. It introduces Him even to the blind eyes,
according
to science that we study.

Friend, pls don't be cheated! All beautiful things that you see in this

worldlifeprogram are only " limited trial " versions. As you see
you can
never save your wealthy and joyfull times. Then know the One who has
written
this Cosmic Program. Besides is it Possible for the Programmer , to
write
such a beautiful program, and not to show us " about " to introduce
Himself?

You are judged by your boss, your teachers because of jobs, home works,

examinations. Your boss pays your money, and wants business, your
teacher
teaches you lessons and wants success and information. Is it possible
for
the One who has endowed you tirillions of nerve (network) protocols and

computerized ambiance (life) etc. not to judge you on the Great Court?

When the time comes, the earth and the universe will be destroyed.
People
will be re-created and judged. Regarding the Judgement Day, cannot you
see
Allah, Our Cosmic Designer, sends the rain and revives the death soil,
by
changing it into verdant land? Similar to this surely He will re-create

(revive) all people on the Great Court. Then He will send to the
Paradise or
the Hell. Cannot the One who has Created the earth and the universe,
(the
golden shornes, sand, green palm forests, vineyards, blue sea ,sky and
other
beauties of the earth as examples of the paradise and in the the stars
at
10.000 C. consuming themselves as their hydrogen converts to helium to
a
cosmic destruction, example of the Hell) Create a similar one (the Real

Paradise and the Hell), Surely He can, He is able to do all things.

Beware! All things that you are doing are saved as log files without
being
removed and skipped. These log files will be opened and checked by the
System Admin, the Most High.

Therefore see His Mercy so that you can approach that One, the Great
King of
Eternity. You can earn His sake and be the friend of Him due to this
mercy.

Then see and learn all " about " created by this Programmer who is the

Great Network Administrator of this Universe and try to earn the full
version (life in the Paradise and Love of that Programmer,The Creator).

In Addition, as according to Buddhisim wanting help to the Lord is
regarded
as dangerous. The main teaching is " You must only trust in yourself "
Buddhist Monks (Lamas) teach so.

But this is completely incorrect and dangerous and it accomplishes
nothing.

So to any monk (Buddhist teacher) we Muslims can say:

My Lord, Allah causes the sun to rise from the East and causes it to
come
from the West!

(As a challenge to the monk) Now cause the sun to rise from the West.
If you
really trust in yourself you succeed in this!

Furthermore being in good thing for Buddhists accomplihes nothing.
Because
unless one yields to the Creator of the Universe, God, that one is
already
in the worst thing.

In Islam the Creator, already orders to do good thing.

An Important Note: All things that we have written here are about
current
Buddhisim not to personalitiy of Buddha's himself. Because according
to
Islam too many messenger(prophets) were sent by the Lord. So Buddha
could be
a messenger of Allah then his religion has been changed. (This is an
Islamic
Speculation).

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V:

Hi and thanks for your letter.

You make some good points, but I suggest you ask the atheists since
they are into science much more than myself if you like scientific
debate. I am very busy, so am sorry I cannot write much in reply. But I
will say if you believe that Allah is the same as the God if the OT,
then I discuses it below where I debunk religion via 'inner peace'
logic and not by scientific logic.

see:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=318.0

I hope you take this outline I have given you in that post and apply it
to Islam. Then see how it turns out? I know very little about Islam, so
I can't do it. Maybe you can profit by this analysis, but it requires
you to step outside of the box for a moment to view it as an impartial
observer.

And as far as Buddhism? No need to debunk it. I suggest you add it to
your current Muslim practice and then you can 'turbo charge' it. I draw
from many spiritual traditions myself, so am not one or the other and
exclude all the rest.

For instance, the Muslims pray at sun up, when the sun is at its zenith
at noon, when the sun is part way down in the afternoon, when the sun
sets and when they go to bed. Even though I am not a Muslim, I borrowed
from the Muslim's prayer schedule to use as a reminder to be mindful of
"gratitude" in my life. If you do not want to develop a practice of
gratitude, then what about using it as a reminder 5 times a day to
relax your breath, practice mindfulness and bring your thoughts back to
the present moment?

I do not beat down Islam I profit from it. You can use this same tool
as a freethinker and profit from Buddhism. When you have come to a
point of gratitude for being able to open your eyes in the morning and
being able to take a breath of air everything else is just gravy so to
speak. Gratitude plays an important part with finding inner peace, just
as being mindful of the present moment and being aware of anything that
causes this mindfulness to wander.

My main focus of my Buddhist practice is concentrated on the 3 pillars
of Buddhism that are common to all schools of Buddhist practice: I've
settled on the essence of Buddhism and that is what I work on and find
much peace with this type of simplified practice.

3 Pillars of Buddhism

1- Practicing mindfulness and meditation to develop peace and self
awareness of our own true nature.

2- Accepting the liberating wisdom of impermanence and practicing
non-clinging and a lessening of craving and desires.

3- The development of compassion for others.

Buddhists are not required to believe or not believe in God, so anyone
can make use of this philosophy irrespective of their religious beliefs
or lack thereof. In addition to the 3 pillars, we can use the eightfold
path to guide us. Within the 3 pillars and the eightfold path are a
lifetime of practice. No need to get lost in endless debate and spend
you precious time in idle talk that only serves to massage one ego.
Plenty of work to do right here, right now, unless we prefer to keep
our minds distracted through our perpetual complexities we are so
addicted to. We do need to give some thought of the 'right' way to live
as the eightfold path tells us, so we should never try and be devoid of
thought in our lives, but instead look for a balance and let thought
serve us for once.

The Eightfold Path

1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration

How can you differentiate right from wrong? By peace. You learn what
destroys your peace and the peace of others as well as what promotes
you inner peace and the inner peace of others. Do you need a teacher
for that? Or the Pope to tell you? Or just listen to peace as the best
teacher?

The 5 precepts are the 'commandments' more or less for Buddhists.
Although you are not commanded to do a thing. If you wish to live at
peace, then proceed the best you can - but it is your choice.

The Five Precepts

1. Refrain from Killing:
2. Refrain from Stealing:
3. Refrain from Sexual Misconduct:
4. Refrain from False Speech:
5. Refrain from the Use of Intoxicants:

I came to Buddhism slowly through my studies about 1999. My earliest
exposure was from Thich Nhat Hanh, Allen Watts and the Dalai Lama. I
practice for inner peace, but also it might be termed enlightenment.
Buddhism provides this tool, which is just one out of the many tools I
use for peace development. For once we have found a contentment within
and with all and are at peace - we are progressing on the road to
enlightenment. You can also tell when you have "arrived" by your
practice telling you so. Does your practice revolve around actually
practicing what you have learned to generate peace within or are you on
a never ending journey of always looking and never finding?

Once I am at peace, I can share with others about finding peace for
themselves, which is the secondary reason I practice. I have no
interest in practicing Buddhism for extinguishing reincarnation. These
"fear based" reasons for being a Buddhist are not authentic or natural
- the persons actions are based on fear or negative consequences
otherwise they would not do them. My actions are based on inner peace
and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my choice. I enjoy life
and realize that due to natural law, suffering comes about as part of
the process. The Taoists have a saying for this, "fleas come with the
dog." So, I accept there are growth pains as a fair trade off for the
privilege of living and I would enjoy any reincarnation if given the
chance. Buddhism helps makes this trade off of life and pain more in my
favor by lending me support to live a life at peace. I do not practice
Buddhism to earn merit for the next life - I practice Buddhism for my
own peace generation in THIS LIFE.

I'd like to point out that my views are not the orthodox or traditional
vies on these subjects. The orthodox view of Buddhist beliefs can be
summed up in a meditation on the three liberation's. By meditating on
emptiness, formlessness and passionlessness, this will allow you, with
a few lifetimes of diligent practice, to recognize the three
liberation's of the ego and the dharma as being empty, the dharma as
formless and this eventually the recognition of living is an unworthy
desire as our existence is characterized by suffering. So, please do
not think I speak for anyone other than 'myself' with whatever I write.
Of course, traditional Buddhists also believe there is no 'my' or
'self' so, I guess it really doesn't matter in that case.

When you wrote "This is an Islamic Speculation" It is only fair to say
that religion is based for the most part on speculation if it requires
faith.

See

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=133.0

I suggest you become a 'practical philosopher' and 'freethinker' so you
may think for yourself and adopt what does work.

See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0

Good Luck,

V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher