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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: May 7, 2008 19:56
It is hard to explain the place filled by political concerns in the
life of an American. To take a hand in the government of society and
to talk about it is his most important business and, so to say, the
only pleasure he knows. That is obvious even in the most trivial
habits of his life; even the women often go to public meetings and
forget household cares while they listen to political speeches. For
them clubs to some extent take the place of theaters. An American
does not know how to converse, but he argues; he does not talk, but
expatiates. He always speaks to you as if addressing a meeting, and
if he happens to get excited, he will say "Gentleman" when addressing
an audience of one.
The inhabitant in some countries shows a sort of repugnance in
accepting the political rights granted to him by the law; it strikes
him as a waste of time to spend it on communal interests, and he
likes
to shut himself up in a narrow egoism, of which four ditches with
hedges on top define the precise limits.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: May 7, 2008 22:22
On May 7, 7:56 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> It is hard to explain the place filled by political concerns in the
> life of an American. To take a hand in the government of society and
> to talk about it is his most important business and, so to say, the
> only pleasure he knows. That is obvious even in the most trivial
> habits of his life; even the women often go to public meetings and
> forget household cares while they listen to political speeches. For
> them clubs to some extent take the place of theaters. An American
> does not know how to converse, but he argues; he does not talk, but
> expatiates. He always speaks to you as if addressing a meeting, and
> if he happens to get excited, he will say "Gentleman" when addressing
> an audience of one.
>
> The inhabitant in some countries shows a sort of repugnance in
> accepting the political rights granted to him by the law; it strikes
> him as a waste of time to spend it on communal interests, and he
> likes
> to shut himself up in a narrow egoism, of which four ditches with
> hedges on top define the precise limits.
> ...
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: May 8, 2008 23:48
On May 8, 1:22 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> Isn't the corporate world of influences really a "distributed
> despotism" where we might be free to choose but it is like a multiple
> choice question where many of the answers don't cover many of the
> possibilities?
I've actually thought of it terms of a similar metaphor. But it's not
only a "corporate world of influences". It is the "established wisdom"
in general on almost any subject - and it is actually that "wisdom"
which influences corporate thinking as much as anything else.
In terms of *fundamental* ideas, the universities - and intellectuals
in general - are much more influential than the corporations. They may
not think they are - but think they should - and in fact they do.
In any culture in any given time there will be "multiple choice
questions" within a certain limited range. Radical ideas only appeal
to a small minority. But some of those ideas, with concerted effort
and great determination (often taking years, even decades), eventually
come to the fore, even prevail. In a free society, neither
corporations or any other institution can stop them.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: May 9, 2008 10:54
> But some of those ideas, with concerted effort
> and great determination (often taking years, even decades), eventually
> come to the fore, even prevail. In a free society, neither
> corporations or any other institution can stop them.
That explains why BushCo was doing everything possible, even risking
war crimes charges, to intimidate citizens with his vastly overhyped
threats of terrorist attacks and to make the U. S. less free with the
Patriot Act.
Reducing freedom was their only hope of survival.
9/11 hyping - Iraq was their Hail Mary pass.
> "All the armies of the world cannot stop an idea when its time has
> come" -
> Victor Hugo
Change comes from ideas and ideas only, not merely repeating the word
"change." Gore and Kerry had position papers but no real ideas.
Position papers do not bring about change.
If he doesn't entertain ideas then he isn't an agent of change.
Another dead give away is if there is no real demonization, and _no_,
merely claiming a politician is "total bs" is not "demonization."
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: May 9, 2008 22:47
On May 8, 11:48 pm, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 1:22 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Isn't the corporate world of influences really a "distributed
>> despotism" where we might be free to choose but it is like a multiple
>> choice question where many of the answers don't cover many of the
>> possibilities?
>
> I've actually thought of it terms of a similar metaphor. But it's not
> only a "corporate world of influences". It is the "established wisdom"
> in general on almost any subject - and it is actually that "wisdom"
> which influences corporate thinking as much as anything else.
>
> In terms of *fundamental* ideas, the universities - and intellectuals
> in general - are much more influential than the corporations. They may
> not think they are - but think they should - and in fact they do.
>
> In any culture in any given time there will be "multiple choice
> questions" within a certain limited range. Radical ideas only appeal
> to a small minority. But some of those ideas, with concerted effort ...
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Author: zzbunkerzzbunker Date: May 10, 2008 05:54
On May 8, 1:22 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 7, 7:56 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>> It is hard to explain the place filled by political concerns in the
>> life of an American. To take a hand in the government of society and
>> to talk about it is his most important business and, so to say, the
>> only pleasure he knows. That is obvious even in the most trivial
>> habits of his life; even the women often go to public meetings and
>> forget household cares while they listen to political speeches. For
>> them clubs to some extent take the place of theaters. An American
>> does not know how to converse, but he argues; he does not talk, but
>> expatiates. He always speaks to you as if addressing a meeting, and
>> if he happens to get excited, he will say "Gentleman" when addressing
>> an audience of one.
>
>> The inhabitant in some countries shows a sort of repugnance in ...
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