"tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The problem here is the dualism, good and evil, or opposite extremes.
With one extreme being creative, the other destructive.

There is a new mathematics out there, complexity science, that corrects
this frame of reference error. Nature comes in threes. Morality is
indeed open to mathematical analysis in the better view.

This frame of reference can easily be seen with the ....new...definitions
of simplicity and complexity.

Arbitrarily define any real world complex dynamic system.
Let's say the system is society.

In attractor theory, simple behavior comes in two forms.
A static attractor is behavior much like spinning a ball
inside of a bowl. Sooner or later the ball when come to
rest at the bottom. The system is said to be attracted
to that final state. Another term for this behavior is
subcritical. Where behavior tends to become more
ordered, simpler or predicable over time.

In a society the 'rule of law' would then fill the static attractor.
As that is the system specific force that competes for
more order over time.

The opposite extreme would be behavior that is chaotic.
Or supercritical. As with a gas, or with a society the opposite
chaotic attractor would be filled by 'freedom'.

Both static and chaotic behavior is deemed to be relatively
...simple....behavior. Merely because 'complex' behavior
is where /both/ static and chaotic behaviors are equally
represented. So that one can't tell which simple form
dominates the whole.

So that one can't tell which-is-which.

The third attractor is emergent. As it only forms as a result
of this unstable dynamic balance of the static and chaotic.
This new attractor is of course called dynamic or complex
behavior.

static > dynamic < chaotic
simple > complex < simple

Analogous to
solid > fluid < gas
particle physics > thermodynamics < quantum mechanics

Or for this discussion

order > creation < disorder
simple > complex < simple
evil > good < evil

So you see, there are now

....TWO (Evil) minimums and ONE maximum....Good.

The duality of good and evil is replaced with a frame
of reference that mimics REALITY. Instead of the
endless battle between good and evil that has no
logical winner. Good is when both creation and destruction
find themselves locked in an unwinnable battle with each other.

So that one can't tell which-is-which.

As with a cloud.

Where the opposite extremes of condensation and evaporation
find an unstable equilibrium, a dynamic(fluid-like) structure emerges.
Requiring new vocabulary such as lightning, rain and such.

It is the emergent dynamic attractor that results from
the struggle between order and disorder that is the
ULTIMATE SOURCE OF ALL CREATION....
...in the known universe.

Whether with the universe as a whole

gravity > space < cosmic expansion

or with Darwinian evolution

genetics > natural selection < mutation

There is now a single mathematics that can deal
with....all the disciplines....with a single language.

science > wisdom < philosophy

Or the competition between forces that apply
to the one, and to everyone.

Truth > Beauty < Love
knowledge > genius < imagination

Good is the union of opposite extremes.
Evil is when the whole becomes dominated
by one extreme...or the other.

Dynamics of Complex Systems
http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/

Self Organizing Faq
http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm

Calresco.org
http://www.calresco.org/

The future.

Science is mired in the past, trying to detail what has already
happened in order to understand the here-and-now, or predict
the future. That is the recipe for meaningless views.

Instead we should start with our imagination of the ideal future.

As once we have that 'second' data point. We can then, and
...only then.. draw a rational and practical path from here to there.
Instead of starting with the past and present (science) as a source
of knowledge/contentment. We should begin with the future
as a path to creating a better reality now. As once one clearly
sees/draws the path to a better future we suddenly become
infused with hope and joy.

And realize that Utopia / Heaven is not some distant place
or time we can only dream about.

Utopia is found in the chase.

Complexity science, for the first time, shows the true simplicity
of nature. That the union of opposite extremes (complexity)
is the source of all creation and evolution.

This leads to a common solution to all problems.
As the dynamic union of opposite extremes.

The latest math is clear on this point.
That for all real world complex dynamic systems.

Love is the answer.

QED

Understanding the simplicity of Nature is the path to Utopia

As dear Emilly said so long ago.

" ONE blessing had I, than the rest
So larger to my eyes
That I stopped gauging, satisfied,
For this enchanted size.

It was the limit of my dream,
The focus of my prayer,-
A perfect, paralyzing bliss
Contented as despair.

I knew no more of want or cold,
Phantasms both become,
For this new value in the soul,
Supremest earthly sum.

The heaven below the heaven above
Obscured with ruddier hue.
Life's latitude leant over-full;
The judgment perished, too.

Why joys so scantily disburse,
Why Paradise defer,
Why floods are served to us in bowls,-
I speculate no more."

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