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BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: BretCahill
Date: May 3, 2008 08:11

The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
increase in federal fuel taxes.

The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.

Anyone who shifts away from driving or at least from driving low mpg
vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be able
to afford it.

Bret Cahill
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: The Trucker
Date: May 3, 2008 08:52

On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700, BretCahill wrote:
> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
> increase in federal fuel taxes.
>
> The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.

That is correct. Revenue neutrality is the key to this. The increase or
decrease in overall taxation is a different matter.
> Anyone who shifts away from driving or at least from driving low mpg
> vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
> needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be able
> to afford it.

That is true in the most cases. But a person that actually drives a truck
(long haul) for a living is going to lose no matter what. There are more
fuel efficient ways to deliver freight over long distances...
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: HarryNadds
Date: May 3, 2008 12:15

On May 3, 10:11 am, BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote:
> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
> increase in federal fuel taxes.
>
> The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.
>
> Anyone who shifts away from driving or at least from driving low mpg
> vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
> needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be able
> to afford it.
>
> Bret Cahill

There we go.The typical moonbat response. Mandate that the american
people make drastic lifestyle changes instead of doing the right thing
and drilling for oil and building refineries.Will your mandate include
the elites in Hollywood and the limousine liberals in Washington??
Did'nt think so.
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: HarryNadds
Date: May 3, 2008 12:17

On May 3, 10:52 am, The Trucker verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700, BretCahill wrote:
>> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
>> increase in federal fuel taxes.
>
>> The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.
>
> That is correct.  Revenue neutrality is the key to this.  The increase or
> decrease in overall taxation is a different matter.
>
>> Anyone who shifts away from driving or at least from driving low mpg
>> vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
>> needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be able
>> to afford it.
>
> That is true in the most cases.  But a person that actually drives a truck
> (long haul) for a living is going to lose no matter what.  There are more
> fuel efficient ways to deliver freight over long distances and the people
> who ship the commodities will be discovering these methods.  That is
> economic reality and there is nothing that should be done about it but ...
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: The Trucker
Date: May 3, 2008 15:00

On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:15:34 -0700, HarryNadds wrote:
> On May 3, 10:11 am, BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote:
>> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
>> increase in federal fuel taxes.
>>
>> The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.
>>
>> Anyone who shifts away from driving or at least from driving low mpg
>> vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
>> needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be able
>> to afford it.
>>
>> Bret Cahill
>
> There we go.The typical moonbat response. Mandate that the american
> people make drastic lifestyle changes instead of doing the right thing
> and drilling for oil and building refineries.Will your mandate include
> the elites in Hollywood and the limousine liberals in Washington??
> Did'nt think so.
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: The Trucker
Date: May 3, 2008 15:09

On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:17:22 -0700, HarryNadds wrote:
> On May 3, 10:52 am, The Trucker verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700, BretCahill wrote:
>>> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
>>> increase...
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: Day Brown
Date: May 3, 2008 15:40

HarryNadds wrote:
> What "more efficient" ways are you referring to? Rail? Ship? Carrier
> pidgeon? You think long haul trucks are part of the problem?? You
> willing to put thousands of truck drivers out of a job??
What would make more sense would be to nationalize the railroad right of
way so that it would be owned and maintained by the government the same
as the highways, waterways, and airports.

Then- permit investors to go into business with the running gear in an
open, and competitive free market rather than the regulated system the
massive rail corporations now have.

Moreover, convert the rails to a new wide track design that could go
much faster and carry loads wider than a box car. In this case, they
could piggie back truck trailers or freighter containers side by side on
flat cars, or use the flat cars to carry your car, at high speed, cross
country. You could drive on a flatcar at the station, with the driver's
side facing the front of the train, then drive off at your destination.
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Author: The Ghost In The Machine
Date: May 3, 2008 18:31

In sci.econ, The Trucker
verizon.net>
wrote
on Sat, 03 May 2008 15:09:44 -0700
verizon.net>:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:17:22 -0700, HarryNadds wrote:
>
>> On May 3, 10:52 am, The Trucker verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700, BretCahill wrote:
>>>> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
>>>> increase in federal fuel taxes.
>>>
>>>> The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel.
>>>
>>> That is correct.  Revenue neutrality is the key to this.  The increase or
>>> decrease in overall taxation is a different matter.
>>>
>>>> Anyone who shifts away from driving or at least from driving low mpg
>>>> vehicles would come out ahead economically and anyone who really
>>>> needed to drive to work or drive a truck to work would still be able ...
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: BurtonUrny
Date: May 3, 2008 19:44

On May 3, 5:40 pm, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:
> HarryNadds wrote:
>> What "more efficient" ways are you referring to? Rail? Ship? Carrier
>> pidgeon? You think long haul trucks are part of the problem?? You
>> willing to put thousands of truck drivers out of a job??
>
> What would make more sense would be to nationalize the railroad right of
> way so that it would be owned and maintained by the government the same
> as the highways, waterways, and airports.
>
> Then- permit investors to go into business with the running gear in an
> open, and competitive free market rather than the regulated system the
> massive rail corporations now have.
>
> Moreover, convert the rails to a new wide track design that could go
> much faster and carry loads wider than a box car. In this case, they
> could piggie back truck trailers or freighter containers side by side on
> flat cars, or use the flat cars to carry your car, at high speed, cross
> country. You could drive on a flatcar at the station, with the driver's
> side facing the front of the train, then drive off at your destination. ...
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Re: BEFORE Trying To Simply Hike the Fuel Tax . . .         


Author: BurtonUrny
Date: May 3, 2008 19:47

On May 3, 8:31 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> In sci.econ, The Trucker
> verizon.net>
>  wrote
> on Sat, 03 May 2008 15:09:44 -0700
> verizon.net>:
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:17:22 -0700, HarryNadds wrote:
>
>>> On May 3, 10:52 am, The Trucker verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700, BretCahill wrote:
>>>>> The deal needs to include a revenue neutral IRS rebate to cover the
>>>>> increase in federal fuel taxes.
>
>>>>> The overall effect is drivers would be paid to use less fuel. ...
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