"Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 9, 3:38 am, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:

So would I, at least in principle. However, arguably, since the gov't
is the primary cause of the mess, it should arguably take some
responsibility for alleviating it. The important thing however is that
we move toward free markets - which almost no one is advocating now -
instead of even more regulation (which is the cause of the problem in
the first place) which virtually everyone is advocating. Or, in other
words, it's the typical problem all over again. Adding regulations and
gov't interference to supposedly solve the very problems the
regulations and interference caused in the first place.

This is a whole other subject and different topic but I oppose Paul
even more than I do McCain.

Umm...there is such an entity. Have you ever heard of foreclosure? Why
should they be freed from the same bankruptcy as everyone else who
made foolish financial decisions? (Although many, if not most, people
who have foreclosure wouldn't necessarily go into bankruptcy. People
who bought homes in the last few years have relatively little equity
in their homes to lose. That in fact was the whole problem. But it's
also why the problem isn't quite as severe as it otherwise would have
been - although it is certainly bad enough)

Well, yes, but giving the power to Congress hardly helps in that
regard. (I acknowledge that it is granted that power in The
Constitution).

Money is just another commodity. It should be handled by the market
like all other goods, freely - and completely taken out of the hands
of the gov't. The Constitution should be amended on this point, though
unfortunately I don't expect that to happen any time soon, if ever.

We don't need "free trade agreements". We just need free trade -
unilateral if necessary. Let those who don't have free trade suffer
accordingly. A country which embraces free trade benefits from it
accordingly even if it is not reciprocated.

England unilaterally adopted free trade in the 19th Cent. and it
became the richest country on earth as a result.

Fred Weiss

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See fred, we agree on more areas than we disagree with, and yet you think
I'm too dumb to argue with.

Now, I would still encourage you to think far deeper as why the Government
looms large in your view of being the *cause* of all these problems.

I'm suggesting that maybe you could do yourself a service if you could rise
above the ideological socialist/capitalist dichotomy, and the repub/demo
dichotomy, and the purist view that a Capitalists or an industrialists
Self-Interest [ no matter what ] is really a fundamental value worth
fighting for.

Just look a lot deeper, review the histporical changes and challenge
yourself to look behind the overt distractions and promoted motivations for
the many changes that led to this point in time.

Plus, read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and strive to
fully understand these critical documents as intended. Then to ask yourself
honestly, and objectively, if you really fully support these Ideals and
Principles or not.

Because if not, you either need to emmigrate, or support a call to have
these documents changed and implemented into American life. But you have to
take the majority of the people with you to achieve this, and accept the
results.

Or you could simply opt out of the system entirely.

I guess another way of asking this, is do you want to live under a never
perfect system of Justice and Laws, or do you prefer a system of anarchy,
an everyman for himself approach to life?

Cheers sean