"Sir Frederick"
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news:b9mv04dngc0ircob00rv7bjevu2o4or6cc@4ax.com...> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:40:12 +1000, "brian fletcher"
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>>"Sir Frederick"
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>>news:c0av04hldindsnm20ljur5l91qb4v9h1st@4ax.com...>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:40:29 GMT, "Mike E. Fullerton"
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>>>>>>>What do you think is wrong with this argument:
>>>>
>>>>If bacteria and other simple life forms were not aware they would not be
>>>>able to feed as they could not distinguish themselves from food.
>>>
>>> It is all in the nanotech automaton zombie mechanism that they are.
>>> No mystical magic folk lore theory like "awareness" needed.
>>> None needed at any scale, except as a well practiced story.
>>
>>But who is the story teller....
>>
> Your local automaton zombie, playing the "human" charade
> game.
Sir, you're not really this bleak of a person.
It's like intellectualism can be a game of 'how low can you go...I can go
lower'. Funny how Copernican enlightenment seemed to put us on this path.
Always look toward what is more bleak and hopeless...and one can probably
win the argument, thusly pointing us in the 'correct' direction. No one can
really embrace the bleakness you always alllude to you know. Oh, we can
talk about it, make parlour games of it, like playing chess or something.
But you cannot actually LIVE it. We DECIEVE ourselves to think anyone can.
The more I think recently, I'm becoming convinced that Knowldge and
information is far outstretching our emotional ability to keep up [even more
so that we already recognize]. Life around us is becoming so complex, so
automated, and machined, that it almost takes a 'machine' to keep up, which
we try and regimine ourselves under mountains of beuaracratic regulations,
laws, and precise directions [that no human can really live up to]...that I
wonder if most of us aren't ready for nervous breakdowns. The stress is
climbing my friend...big time. Just yesterday, congress had to devise a law
to prevent insurance companies from using genetic information to
discriminate against individuals for employment and health insurance. That
was a 'good' thing for us humans, but the issues coming before us anymore
are so complex that no one has a good handle on anything anymore. The
system is being corrupted IMHO, with non-alignment and 'objective'
rationality that no longer recognizes individuality all that much [putting
weak sisters on top, and strong sam's on bottom all too often...or scrambled
eggs mostly]. Common sense is being lost, a sense of chaos [even while
things are so judiciously regulated now] and injustice rising.
The sense is like walking on thin ice, sensing that things could collapse
any minute. Two things humans seek remember...freedom and security. Also,
my thinking on this 'singularity'...I'm afraid that is fantasy isn't it?
There is not one iota of evidence to suggest to us that self awareness
'will' take place at some minimal capacity of mechanical-logical
informational processing. That is a leap of faith on your part isn't it?
