> On 13 sep, 23:11, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:

>> On Sep 13, 4:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>> On 11 sep, 00:25, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:

>>>> On Sep 10, 10:30 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones aol.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:

>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 8:19 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:

>>>>>>>>> How are we to use our unique intelligence? Just to be a little more
>>>>>>>>> skilled at this and a little more knowing at that? Or is there more
>>>>>>>>> still?
>>>>>>>>> So, anyway, we set off, circumscribed and defined by our culture and
>>>>>>>>> our creativity. Were we aware that we were a unique creature engaged
>>>>>>>>> in a colonisation of the planet? I don't see it. At every point our
>>>>>>>>> own range of human response - religious, artistic, political - seems
>>>>>>>>> to have served our needs.
>>>>>>>>> But not knowing anything of our evolution, of our connection to the
>>>>>>>>> chain of life, of our global reach, of the genesis of the globe
>>>>>>>>> itself, of the universe, of our essential individuality...we were
>>>>>>>>> doomed to endless error. Such was the nature of our colonisation, shot
>>>>>>>>> through with error and opprrssion.
>>>>>>>>> Andf then - quite recently - we found a way through. We embraced
>>>>>>>>> technology, permitted knowledge and established freedom in many
>>>>>>>>> places. So now what? Do we still just respond to circumstances - as
>>>>>>>>> we have always done - or do we take a deeper view of ourselves?
>>>>>>>>> But maybe we are wired to respond to our own creations? Maybe we are
>>>>>>>>> incapable of responding to the fact of our uniqueness in the chain of
>>>>>>>>> being? Or will there come at some stage a shift in our response, a
>>>>>>>>> gradual acceptance and valorisation of our potential - and destiny -
>>>>>>>>> as a species? And if such a shift is to come will it be mediated by
>>>>>>>>> Asperger-like people who fail to be awed by the flawed products of our
>>>>>>>>> creativity and cling instead to a dogged truth?
>>>>>>>>> Joseph Humming

>>>>>>>> If you believe in bogus illnesses like 'apergers' then you are already
>>>>>>>> well toasted under the contemporary grill. Our own blind spots are the
>>>>>>>> hardest to see.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>> I didn't actually describe Asperger's as an illness. But it certainly
>>>>>>> a condition,

>>>>>> But what exactly is being referred to as a condition? And a condition of
>>>>>> what? 'A condition' doesn't get off the ground, not even as an idea.

>>>>>>> a singular state of being, singular in many senses. One
>>>>>>> aspect of that condition is a distance between the person and the
>>>>>>> beliefs and enthusiasms of the crowd. I was suggesting that only such
>>>>>>> a level of separation could enable, or induce, someone to challenge
>>>>>>> long-held verities of the species..

>>>>>> So what you must be saying is that in order for humankind to develop
>>>>>> then it must not be gregarious. Many species are not gregarious.
>>>>>> And of course, it's no more a condition to be gregarious than it is not
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>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
>>>>> It seems Joseph is one of the people who thinks asperger might not be
>>>>> a disability at all. Personally I think it is, but like depressive
>>>>> persons people with asperger syndrome might sometimes understand the
>>>>> thruth better than socially happy optimists!

>>>> Oh, dear. Shite reigns tonight. Asperger's is most certainly a
>>>> disabling condition. And I don't actually think people with this
>>>> condition understand the "truth" more than the rest of us. I just
>>>> think they are unable to give credence to what we take as the truth.
>>>> In this sense, they are confronted with a fundamental truth
>>>> unvarnished by the blandishments of our creativity.

>>>>> I seem to remember that Truecristian was much more reasonable when in
>>>>> a depressive state, than when she was maniac. I do not have any
>>>>> knowledge of people with asperger. (unless Joseph is one).

>>>> You really come across as an asshole. But you may not be behind it
>>>> all. Being an asshole is sometimes a matter of seeking to be clever.

>>>>> Love,
>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>> September 2008
>>>>> Amstelveen
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>>> You may have noticed I have problems undertstanding you, Your grammar
>>> seems to be in order, nevertheless, I never really understand what you
>>> are talking about. Apparently I failed again.
>>> Sorry if I give the impression of being an asshole,
>>> if you could possibly explain what gave you that impression please?
>>> I do not mean to do so.
>>> Thanks in advance!

>> I think I was a little harsh, Peter. I apologise. I assumed something
>> that clearly wasn't the case.
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>> As to what I am trying to say. It's disarmingly simple. We are a
>> phenomenon that has to date been plagued by error. Error was
>> unavoidable. We knew nothing about evolution; nor did we have much
>> sense of humanity as a species; nor did we have any sense of the
>> longevity of the universe and the chemical/physical basis of
>> everything. Thus we created myths and fantasies. Creativity is so
>> natural to us. Then we went through the trauma of history, so called -
>> dispersal, differentiation, convergence, conflict, coercion,
>> subjugation, freedom, industrialisation etc etc. Now we are free, most
>> of us. Now, also, we know most of what there is to know, though by no
>> means all of what there is to know. Now, finally, we can begin to
>> evaluate the human phenomenon; we can begin to inquire as to our
>> status and our potential in the chain of being, we can begin to act on
>> the conclusions we form.
>>
>> It should be an interesting time. But first we have the drama of
>> global warming. Will it blow us off course for a century? Will we be
>> forced to resort to coercion again? Maybe if we had a stronger sense
>> of our place and our potential, as described above, we would be more
>> capable of working together....
>>
>> Joseph Humming....sounds a little Dutch, don't you think, Peter?

>
> Pronounced in English "Humming" does indeed sound like the Dutch name
> "Hamming".
> Although generally an optimist, and though I might agree that you and
> me are free in many aspects. I care to diagree we are free in
> everything.
>
> I have four more years in which to please the company I work for,
> and many more - I hope - in which to please my wife.
>
> Many others around the globe are less priveliged.
> Either they are the victims of illogical believes,

> or they are the
> victims of poverty.
> Many are still under an oppressive regime. (1,3 billion in China
> alone).
>
> Global warming is just one of the problems our rising numbers and
> prosperity are causing.
>
> I have a deep wish wanting to see everybody happy,

> but I realise that - although by percentages, suffering in the world
> has gone down.

> Happyness is still a rare thing we should cherish!

> Love,
>
> Peter van Velzen Daengprasert
> September 2008
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands
>
> Apologees always excepted.