On 13 sep, 23:11, Joseph Humming
humanisation.org> wrote:> On Sep 13, 4:07Â pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>> On 11 sep, 00:25, Joseph Humming
humanisation.org> wrote:>
>>> On Sep 10, 10:30Â pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones
aol.com> wrote:>
>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 8:19 pm, John Jones
aol.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>>>>> How are we to use our unique intelligence? Just to be a little more
>>>>>>>> skilled at this and a little more knowing at that? Or is there more
>>>>>>>> still?
>>>>>>>> So, anyway, we set off, circumscribed and defined by our culture and
>>>>>>>> our creativity. Were we aware that we were a unique creature engaged
>>>>>>>> in a colonisation of the planet? I don't see it. At every point our
>>>>>>>> own range of human response - religious, artistic, political - seems
>>>>>>>> to have served our needs.
>>>>>>>> But not knowing anything of our evolution, of our connection to the
>>>>>>>> chain of life, of our global reach, of the genesis of the globe
>>>>>>>> itself, of the universe, of our essential individuality...we were
>>>>>>>> doomed to endless error. Such was the nature of our colonisation, shot
>>>>>>>> through with error and opprrssion.
>>>>>>>> Andf then - quite recently - we found a way through. We embraced
>>>>>>>> technology, permitted knowledge and established freedom in many
>>>>>>>> places. So now what? Do we still just respond to circumstances  - as
>>>>>>>> we have always done - or do we take a deeper view of ourselves?
>>>>>>>> But maybe we are wired to respond to our own creations? Maybe we are
>>>>>>>> incapable of responding to the fact of our uniqueness in the chain of
>>>>>>>> being? Or will there come at some stage a shift in our response, a
>>>>>>>> gradual acceptance and valorisation of our potential - and destiny -
>>>>>>>> as a species? And if such a shift is to come will it be mediated by
>>>>>>>> Asperger-like people who fail to be awed by the flawed products of our
>>>>>>>> creativity and cling instead to a dogged truth?
>>>>>>>> Joseph Humming
>>>>>>> If you believe in bogus illnesses like 'apergers' then you are already
>>>>>>> well toasted under the contemporary grill. Our own blind spots are the
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>>>>>> I didn't actually describe Asperger's as an illness. But it certainly
>>>>>> a condition,
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>>>>> But what exactly is being referred to as a condition? And a condition of
>>>>> what? Â 'A condition' doesn't get off the ground, not even as an idea.
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>>>>>> a singular state of being, singular in many senses. One
>>>>>> aspect of that condition is a distance between the person and the
>>>>>> beliefs and enthusiasms of the crowd. I was suggesting that only such
>>>>>> a level of separation could enable, or induce, someone to challenge
>>>>>> long-held verities of the species..
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>>>>> So what you must be saying is that in order for humankind to develop
>>>>> then it must not be gregarious. Many species are not gregarious.
>>>>> And of course, it's no more a condition to be gregarious than it is not
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>>>> It seems Joseph is one of the people who thinks asperger might not be
>>>> a disability at all. Personally I think it is, but like depressive
>>>> persons people with asperger syndrome might sometimes understand the
>>>> thruth better than socially happy optimists!
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>>> Oh, dear. Shite reigns tonight. Asperger's is most certainly a
>>> disabling condition. And I don't actually think people with this
>>> condition understand the "truth" more than the rest of us. I just
>>> think they are unable to give credence to what we take as the truth.
>>> In this sense, they are confronted with a fundamental truth
>>> unvarnished by the blandishments of our creativity.
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>>>> I seem to remember that Truecristian was much more reasonable when in
>>>> a depressive state, than when she was maniac. I do not have any
>>>> knowledge of people with asperger. (unless Joseph is one).
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>>> You really come across as an asshole. But you may not be behind it
>>> all. Being an asshole is sometimes a matter of seeking to be clever.
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>>>> Love,
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>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>> September 2008
>>>> Amstelveen
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>> You may have noticed I have problems undertstanding you, Your grammar
>> seems to be in order, nevertheless, I never really understand what you
>> are talking about. Apparently I failed again.
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>> Sorry if I give the impression of being an asshole,
>> if you could possibly explain what gave you that impression please?
>> I do not mean to do so.
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>> Thanks in advance!
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> I think I was a little harsh, Peter. I apologise. I assumed something
> that clearly wasn't the case.
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> As to what I am trying to say. It's disarmingly simple. We are a
> phenomenon that has to date been plagued by error. Error was
> unavoidable. We knew nothing about evolution; nor did we have much
> sense of humanity as a species; nor did we have any sense of the
> longevity of the universe and the chemical/physical basis of
> everything. Thus we created myths and fantasies. Creativity is so
> natural to us. Then we went through the trauma of history, so called -
> dispersal, differentiation, convergence, conflict, coercion,
> subjugation, freedom, industrialisation etc etc. Now we are free, most
> of us. Now, also, we know most of what there is to know, though by no
> means all of what there is to know. Now, finally, we can begin to
> evaluate the human phenomenon; we can begin to inquire as to our
> status and our potential in the chain of being, we can begin to act on
> the conclusions we form.
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> It should be an interesting time. But first we have the drama of
> global warming. Will it blow us off course for a century? Will we be
> forced to resort to coercion again? Maybe if we had a stronger sense
> of our place and our potential, as described above, we would be more
> capable of working together....
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> Joseph Humming....sounds a little Dutch, don't you think, Peter?
Pronounced in English "Humming" does indeed sound like the Dutch name
"Hamming".
Although generally an optimist, and though I might agree that you and
me are free in many aspects. I care to diagree we are free in
everything.
I have four more years in which to please the company I work for,
and many more - I hope - in which to please my wife.
Many others around the globe are less priveliged.
Either they are the victims of illogical believes, or they are the
victims of poverty.
Many are still under an oppressive regime. (1,3 billion in China
alone).
Global warming is just one of the problems our rising numbers and
prosperity are causing.
I have a deep wish wanting to see everybody happy,
but I realise that - although by percentages, suffering in the world
has gone down.
Happyness is still a rare thing we should cherish!
Love,
Peter van Velzen Daengprasert
September 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Apologees always excepted.
