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Author: Joseph Humming
Date: Sep 9, 2008 11:12

On Sep 9, 7:03 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 4:35 pm, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:
>
>> How are we to use our unique intelligence? Just to be a little more
>> skilled at this and a little more knowing at that? Or is there more
>> still?
>
>> So, anyway, we set off, circumscribed and defined by our culture and
>> our creativity. Were we aware that we were a unique creature engaged
>> in a colonisation of the planet? I don't see it. At every point our
>> own range of human response - religious, artistic, political - seems
>> to have served our needs.
>
>> But not knowing anything of our evolution, of our connection to the
>> chain of life, of our global reach, of the genesis of the globe
>> itself, of the universe, of our essential individuality...we were
>> doomed to endless error. Such was the nature of our colonisation, shot
>> through with error and opprrssion.
>
>> Andf then - quite recently - we found a way through. We embraced
>> technology, permitted knowledge and established freedom in many
>> places. So now what? Do we still just respond to circumstances  - as
>> we have always done - or do we take a deeper view of ourselves?
>
>> But maybe we are wired to respond to our own creations? Maybe we are
>> incapable of responding to the fact of our uniqueness in the chain of
>> being? Or will there come at some stage a shift in our response, a
>> gradual acceptance and valorisation of our potential - and destiny -
>> as a species? And if such a shift is to come will it be mediated by
>> Asperger-like people who fail to be awed by the flawed products of our
>> creativity and cling instead to a dogged truth?
>
>> Joseph Humming
>
> If the basic premise of the book, The Paleolithic Prescription, is to
> look at the foods man's body evolved on, what has man been eating for
> the last 50,000 years, and asks pivital the question; how is this
> different from todays diet? How can this paleolithic diet be
> approximated with modern foods? What would the heath benefits be? How
> does the modern diet differ in salt content, fat content, carbohydrate
> content? What diseases are more prevalent with todays diet? Then maybe
> we need a wider Paleolthic Prescription for many other problems that
> arise from ancient human biases.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Paleolithic-Prescription-Program-Exercise-Desig...
>
> The Savanna Principle is a theory about the evolutionary roots of the
> human brain. ...it asserts that the environment that molded the human
> brain through natural selection is drastically different than the
> world humans currently live in. This disparity between what man was
> designed to do and what he currently can do leads to a host of
> societal difficulties
>
> The human brain, and all of its psychological mechanisms, are adapted
> to the environment of evolutionary adaptedness and are therefore
> biased in favor of viewing and responding to the world as if it were
> still the environment of evolutionary adaptedness. The psychological
> mechanisms we possess in our brain today are still the same
> psychological mechanisms that we possessed in the environment of
> evolutionary adaptedness, just as our hand and pancreas are still the
> same as they were 10 000 years ago. The human brain may have
> difficulty comprehending entities and situations that did not exist in
> the ancestral environment;
>
> For example, ancestors who craved sugary and fatty foods lived longer
> and were healthier than those who didn't, in a time that such things
> were relatively scarce. Today, the abundance of such temptations leads
> to obesity and heart disease. ...It is not impossible to overcome this
> bias through conscious effort, but it is often difficult. This is why
> we still respond to sweets and fats today as if we still lived in the
> environment that molded the human brain through natural selection
> where such high-calorie foods were rare and malnutrition was an
> imminent problem for survival, and we have the strong urge to consume
> a large quantity of sweets and fats (even though many of us can
> consciously overcome the urge. ...the human brain [probably] has
> unconscious difficulty comprehending and dealing with entities and
> situations that did not exist in the EEA.
>
> For instance, one of the entities that we know for sure did not exist
> in the environment that molded the human brain through natural
> selection is television. ...humans [probably] have difficulty
> recognizing and dealing with TV. This indeed appears to be the case.
> People who watch certain types of TV shows are more satisfied with
> their friendships, just like they are if they have more friends or
> spend more time socializing with them in real life. It appears that
> the human brain has difficulty distinguishing between real friends and
> imaginary ones they see on TV, because it did not exist in the
> environment that molded the human brain through natural selection. It
> is this fundamental observation, that our brain and its psychological
> mechanisms are strongly biased to view and respond to the environment
> as if it were still the environment that molded the human brain
> through natural selection, which leads to the Savanna Principle.
>
> ...general intelligence evolved in order to handle evolutionarily-
> novel problems. The logical convergence of these two separate lines of
> research leads to the prediction that the human difficulty in dealing
> with evolutionarily-novel stimuli interacts with general intelligence,
> such that the Savanna Principle holds stronger among the less
> intelligent than among the more intelligent. Further analyses of the
> U.S. General Social Survey demonstrate that less intelligent men and
> women may have greater difficulty separating TV characters from their
> real friends than more intelligent men and women.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna_principlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savanna_principlehttp...
>
> ...by appealing to the core principles of neurobiology, evolutionary
> theory, and cognitive science, practitioners of a new human science
> can reach a deeper understanding of why we feel certain courses of
> action to be intrinsically correct. They can help us to understand why
> we have moral feelings. For now, though, the scientists can offer no
> guidance on whether we are really correct in making certain decisions,
> because no way is known to define what is correct without total
> reference to the moral feelings under scrutiny. Perhaps this is the
> ultimate burden of the free will bequeathed to us by our genes: in the
> final analysis, even when we know what we are likely to do and why,
> each of us must still choose.
>
> The challenge to science and philosophy to solve this dilemma is very
> great—in our opinion, there is none greater. Society, through its laws
> and institutions, already regulates behavior. But it does so in
> virtual blind ignorance of the deep reaches of human nature. By
> relying on moral intuition, on those satisfying visceral feelings of
> right and wrong, people remain enslaved by their genes and culture.
> Their minds develop along the channels set by the hereditary
> epigenetic rules, and while they exercise free will in moment-by-
> moment choices, this faculty remains superficial and its value to the
> individual is largely illusory. Only by penetrating to the physical
> basis of moral thought and considering its evolutionary meaning will
> people have the power to control their own lives. They will then be in
> a better position to choose ethical precepts and the forms of social
> regulation needed to maintain the precepts.
>
> Promethean Fire - Reflections on the Origins of Mind
> Charles J. Lumsdem - E.O. Wilson - 1983http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1583484256/
>
> ...innate censors and motivators exist in the brain that deeply and
> unconsciously affect our ethical premises; from these roots, morality
> evolved as instinct. If that perception is correct, science may soon
> be in a position to investigate the very origin and meaning of human
> values, from which all ethical pronouncements and much of political
> practice flow.
>
> Philosophers themselves, most of whom lack an evolutionary
> perspective, have not devoted much time to the problem. They examine
> the precepts of ethical systems with reference to their consequences
> and not their origins. Thus John Rawls opens his influential A Theory
> of Justice (1971) with a proposition he regards as beyond dispute: "In
> a just society the liberties of equal citizenship are taken as
> settled; the rights secured by justice are not subject to political
> bargaining or to the calculus of social interests." Robert Nozick
> begins Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974) with an equally firm
> proposition: "Individuals have rights, and there are things no person
> or group may do to them (without violating their rights). So strong
> and far-reaching are these rights they raise the question of what, if
> anything, the state and its omcials.may do." These two premises are
> somewhat different in content, and they lead to radically different
> prescriptions. Rawls would allow rigid social control to secure as
> close an approach as possible to the equal distribution of society's
> rewards. Nozick sees the ideal society as one governed by a minimal
> state, empowered only to protect its citizens from force and fraud,
> and with unequal distribution of rewards wholly permissible. Rawls
> rejects the meritocracy; Nozick accepts it as desirable except in
> those cases where local communities voluntarily decide to experiment
> with egalitarianism. Like everyone else, philosophers measure their
> personal emotional responses to various alternatives as though
> consulting a hidden oracle.
>
> That oracle resides in the deep emotional centers of the brain, most
> probably within the limbic system, a complex array of neurons and
> hormone-secreting cells located just beneath the "thinking" portion of
> the cerebral cortex. Human emotional responses and the more general
> ethical practices based on them have been programmed to a substantial
> degree by natural selection over thousands of generations. The
> challenge to science is to measure the tightness of the constraints
> caused by the programming, to find their source in the brain, and to
> decode their significance through the reconstruction of the
> evolutionary history of the mind. This enterprise will be the logical
> complement of the continued study of cultural evolution.
>
> Success will generate the second dilemma, which can be stated as
> follows: Which of the censors and motivators should be obeyed and
> which ones might better be curtailed or sublimated? These guides are
> the very core of our humanity. They and not the belief in spiritual
> apartness distinguish us from electronic computers. At some time in
> the future we will have to decide how human we wish to remain-in this
> ultimate, biological sense-because we must consciously choose among
> the alternative emotional guides we have inherited. To chart our
> destiny means that we must shift from automatic control based on our
> biological properties to precise steering based on biological
> knowledge.
>
> Because the guides of human nature must be examined with a complicated
> arrangement of mirrors, they are a deceptive subject, always the
> philosopher's deadfall. The only way forward is to study human nature
> as part of the natural sciences, in an attempt to integrate the
> natural sciences with the social sciences and humanities. I can
> conceive of no ideological or formalisric shortcut. Neurobiology
> cannot be learned at the feer of a guru. The consequences of genetic
> history cannot be chosen by legislatures. Above all, for our own
> physical well-being if nothing else, ethical philosophy must not be
> left in the hands of the merely wise. Although human progress can be
> achieved by intuition and force of will, only hard-won empirical
> knowledge of our biological nature will allow us to make optimum
> choices among the competing criteria of progress.
>
> On Human Nature - Edward O. Wilson 1978http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067463442X/qid=1036537594/
>
> Sorry about the length of this post am trying to shrink this down to a
> few paragraphs...

That is an absolutely fantastic reply. I can't do it justice now. I
would just be responding off the top of my head - in an appposite
manner of speaking. I'll have to read it again and again. I'm a very
slow learner - if indeed I learn at all.

Just one instant responses- but don't even dignify it with an answer:
You seem to be seeking the seat, and the nature, of the human moral
response. The implication seems to be that we can clarify and rectify
our behaviour. Maybe we can. My interests, however, lie less in our
behaviour than in our place in the greater scheme of things and our
future role as a species. I don't believe our intelligence will be
used "by nature" sdolely as a means of improving - morally or
otjherwise - our existence. I think we will go beyond ourselves.....

But, as I say, I need to read your post many more times before I can
do it justice.

Joseph Musing
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