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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Sep 12, 2008 22:44
I wont argue with your points Joseph, merely note that mental
dysfunction is at such a high level, perhaps increasing, that we cannot
depend on rational choices, either at the polls, or by the elected leaders.
Its not hard to trace the evolution of myth and see it plagiarized for
insertion into the Bible. Nor is it hard to apply a psychological
analysis to see how the Levantine scriptures were created to pander to
the instincts of the alpha male and justify his effort to dominate.
The moral values based on scripture are therefore discredited. Now, the
history is obscure, but the Nag Hammadi, for one, shows us how gnostics
were repressed by the alpha male political systems, as they have done
for every other tradition that relied on meditation, sacred potions, or
other means of achieving an altered state of consciousness to reveal the
truth of existance.
Its not that everyone has spiritual enlightenment, but there is no
effort on the part of such traditions to force belief on them. If AZ
nomad dont get it, I dont have a problem with it. But all of us can
agree that the Levantine scriptural reliance on force... sux.
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Author: pbamvvpbamvv Date: Sep 13, 2008 08:07
On 11 sep, 00:25, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:> On Sep 10, 10:30 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>
>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>> On Sep 9, 8:19 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>>> How are we to use our unique intelligence? Just to be a little more
>>>>>> skilled at this and a little more knowing at that? Or is there more
>>>>>> still?
>>>>>> So, anyway, we set off, circumscribed and defined by our culture and
>>>>>> our creativity. Were we aware that we were a unique creature engaged
>>>>>> in a colonisation of the planet? I don't see it. At every point our
>>>>>> own range of human response - religious, artistic, political - seems ...
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Author: pbamvvpbamvv Date: Sep 13, 2008 08:17
On 11 sep, 21:00, John Jones aol.com> wrote:> pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>> But what exactly is being referred to as a condition? And a condition of
>>> what? 'A condition' doesn't get off the ground, not even as an idea.
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>>>> a singular state of being, singular in many senses. One
>>>> aspect of that condition is a distance between the person and the
>>>> beliefs and enthusiasms of the crowd. I was suggesting that only such
>>>> a level of separation could enable, or induce, someone to challenge
>>>> long-held verities of the species..
>>> So what you must be saying is that in order for humankind to develop
>>> then it must not be gregarious. Many species are not gregarious.
>>> And of course, it's no more a condition to be gregarious than it is not
>>> to be gregarious.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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Author: pbamvvpbamvv Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:56
On 14 sep, 20:03, John Jones aol.com> wrote:> pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
>> On 11 sep, 21:00, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>>> pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
>>>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>> But what exactly is being referred to as a condition? And a condition of
>>>>> what? 'A condition' doesn't get off the ground, not even as an idea.
>>>>>> a singular state of being, singular in many senses. One
>>>>>> aspect of that condition is a distance between the person and the
>>>>>> beliefs and enthusiasms of the crowd. I was suggesting that only such
>>>>>> a level of separation could enable, or induce, someone to challenge
>>>>>> long-held verities of the species..
>>>>> So what you must be saying is that in order for humankind to develop
>>>>> then it must not be gregarious. Many species are not gregarious.
>>>>> And of course, it's no more a condition to be gregarious than it is not
>>>>> to be gregarious.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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Author: pbamvvpbamvv Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:08
On 13 sep, 23:11, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:> On Sep 13, 4:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>> On 11 sep, 00:25, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:>
>>> On Sep 10, 10:30 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>
>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 8:19 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>>>>> How are we to use our unique intelligence? Just to be a little more
>>>>>>>> skilled at this and a little more knowing at that? Or is there more ...
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Author: Joseph HummingJoseph Humming Date: Sep 15, 2008 15:01
On Sep 15, 7:08 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
wrote:> On 13 sep, 23:11, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 13, 4:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
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>>> On 11 sep, 00:25, Joseph Humming humanisation.org> wrote:>
>>>> On Sep 10, 10:30 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
>>>> wrote:>
>>>>> On 10 sep, 22:38, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>
>>>>>> Joseph Humming wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 8:19 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote: ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Sep 16, 2008 14:31
Joseph Humming wrote:
> Thank you for your very patient answer - but I don't think the astral
> plane is for me. I'm a groundling at heart :-)
I dont have a problem with that at all. The problems are created by the
demagoguery in the pulpits spouting racism, classism, or demonization of
secularism. That power could be dramatically discredited by the use of
some of these sacred entheogenic potions.
Those jackasses are even willing to start a nuclear war to attack those
who they think have the wrong sacred text or name of god.
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Author: Joseph HummingJoseph Humming Date: Sep 16, 2008 15:11
On Sep 16, 10:31 pm, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:> Joseph Humming wrote:
>> Thank you for your very patient answer - but I don't think the astral
>> plane is for me. I'm a groundling at heart :-)
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> I dont have a problem with that at all. The problems are created by the
> demagoguery in the pulpits spouting racism, classism, or demonization of
> secularism. That power could be dramatically discredited by the use of
> some of these sacred entheogenic potions.
Of course, there was/is a lot of pulpit-spouting but most of it, I
feel, was genuine enough, however erroneous. Secondly, to base a
corrective future on the use of potions is bizarre, to say the least.
When and if human beings finally create a viable, an intelligent and
an equable human society it must be based on a recognition of our
situation and a realisation of our abilities.
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> Those jackasses are even willing to start a nuclear war to attack those
> who they think have the wrong sacred text or name of god.
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Sep 17, 2008 12:29
Joseph Humming wrote:
> Of course, there was/is a lot of pulpit-spouting but most of it, I
> feel, was genuine enough, however erroneous. Secondly, to base a
> corrective future on the use of potions is bizarre, to say the least.
> When and if human beings finally create a viable, an intelligent and
> an equable human society it must be based on a recognition of our
> situation and a realisation of our abilities.
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>> Those jackasses are even willing to start a nuclear war to attack those
>> who they think have the wrong sacred text or name of god.
"Change your mind, Change Your Life" is one of the books reporting on
new neurological data and FMRI brain mapping. The Stoics were right; the
mind is like a muscle, and the right kind of diet and exercise can make
it more effective.
But lets start with the realization that the modern diet is deficient in
real nutrition and contaminate with petrochemicals as well. Lotsa kid's
minds did not develop properly. And it'll take pretty strong medicine to
have any impact on that at all.
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Author: Joseph HummingJoseph Humming Date: Sep 17, 2008 15:06
On Sep 17, 8:29 pm, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:> Joseph Humming wrote:
>> Of course, there was/is a lot of pulpit-spouting but most of it, I
>> feel, was genuine enough, however erroneous. Secondly, to base a
>> corrective future on the use of potions is bizarre, to say the least.
>> When and if human beings finally create a viable, an intelligent and
>> an equable human society it must be based on a recognition of our
>> situation and a realisation of our abilities.
>
>>> Those jackasses are even willing to start a nuclear war to attack those
>>> who they think have the wrong sacred text or name of god.
>
> "Change your mind, Change Your Life" is one of the books reporting on
> new neurological data and FMRI brain mapping. The Stoics were right; the
> mind is like a muscle, and the right kind of diet and exercise can make
> it more effective.
>
> But lets start with the realization that the modern diet is deficient in
> real nutrition and contaminate with petrochemicals as well. Lotsa kid's
> minds did not develop properly. And it'll take pretty strong medicine to ...
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