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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Oct 18, 2006 10:41
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_%%28philosophy_of_mind%%29
Arguments against dualism
Argument from causal interaction
Varieties of dualism in which mind can causally affect matter have come
under strenuous attack from different quarters, especially starting in
the 20th century. How can something totally immaterial affect something
totally material? That's the basic problem of causal interaction. We
can analyze the problem here in three parts.
First, it is not clear where the interaction would take place. For
example, burning my fingers causes pain. Apparently there is some chain
of events, leading from the burning of skin, to the stimulation...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Oct 18, 2006 10:50
turtoni wrote:
Very good list of dualism which could be expanded greatly.
What about substance dualism, Chalmers style.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=substance+dualism
How about my favorite dualism I am still discovering or working on;
Action dualism
Where the combined actions can influence the actions differently than
they would of acted if seperated? What shall we call this?
> Argument from causal interaction
> Varieties of dualism in which mind can causally affect matter have come
> under strenuous attack from different quarters, especially starting in
> the 20th century...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Oct 18, 2006 10:52
Immortalist wrote:
> turtoni wrote:
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> Very good list of dualism which could be expanded greatly.
>
> What about substance dualism, Chalmers style.
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Author: Go, go, go, said the birdGo, go, go, said the bird Date: Oct 18, 2006 11:09
Dualism manages to stay alive as long as people keep mistaking the
quantatative measuring of phenomena (and the explanatory theories
stemming from that) as being a complete description of nature's
ontological circumstances. Science is a very useful way of representing
reality, but it is not a complete account, and it is in that area of
what is yet *unknown about nature* where lies the elemental conditions
that human mental states could emerge from.
turtoni wrote:
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Oct 18, 2006 15:29
Without dualism the Universe would appear to us as a uniform blob. If
you can see even two objects in your field of view, dualism exists.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Oct 19, 2006 09:25
Go, go, go, said the bird wrote:
> Dualism manages to stay alive as long as people keep mistaking the
> quantatative measuring of phenomena (and the explanatory theories
> stemming from that) as being a complete description of nature's
> ontological circumstances. Science is a very useful way of representing
> reality, but it is not a complete account, and it is in that area of
> what is yet *unknown about nature* where lies the elemental conditions
> that human mental states could emerge from.
>
But you have not shown why no dualism is valid, if that is what you are
claiming here. The intensional properties of atoms interact in
extension and that is two propertiy fields and hence a dualism. We call
a chemical process and wettness both properties.
> turtoni wrote:
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Author: Go, go, go, said the birdGo, go, go, said the bird Date: Oct 19, 2006 10:21
Immortalist wrote:
> Go, go, go, said the bird wrote:
>> Dualism manages to stay alive as long as people keep mistaking the
>> quantatative measuring of phenomena (and the explanatory theories
>> stemming from that) as being a complete description of nature's
>> ontological circumstances. Science is a very useful way of representing
>> reality, but it is not a complete account, and it is in that area of
>> what is yet *unknown about nature* where lies the elemental conditions
>> that human mental states could emerge from.
>>
>
> But you have not shown why no dualism is valid, if that is what you are
> claiming here. The intensional properties of atoms interact in
> extension and that is two propertiy fields and hence a dualism. We call
> a chemical process and wettness both properties...
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Author: Anthony G. RubinoAnthony G. Rubino Date: Oct 19, 2006 19:48
Rather than try to refute dualisms, and/or the various monisms that try
to take one or the other side of various dualisms, it would be
worthwhile to consider the source of such variety to try to develop a
better reflection of Reality.
Clearly the source of such variety is thinkers that have different
views, and in fact, a single thinker could consider many views of
Reality.
Given that thinking is the source of an individual's view, then,
thinking about thinking as a process can be considered as a monism of
process. Since that process, thinking, is intrinsic in all philosophic
views, then, the monism of process is comprehensive; i.e., all
inclusive.
But: Is that an adequate view of Reality?
After all, a thinking process requires a thinker!
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge Date: Oct 19, 2006 20:50
Anthony G. Rubino wrote:
> Clearly the source of such variety is thinkers that have different
> views, and in fact, a single thinker could consider many views of
> Reality.
Define reality as you have used it in that sentence without
contradicting yourself!
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Oct 20, 2006 02:29
> Anthony G. Rubino wrote:
>
>> Clearly the source of such variety is thinkers that have different
>> views, and in fact, a single thinker could consider many views of
>> Reality.
>
> Define reality as you have used it in that sentence without
> contradicting yourself!
Reality = "what's real".
No contradiction; however, it is admittedly a contentless tautology.
But your task has been fulfilled.
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