Much of the anti-gay marriage rhetoric is coming from Christian
conservatives, but it's worth wondering if there's a Christian root to
the gay movement in general. Also, it's about time conservatives
realized that they need to make a powerful rational-secular argument
against homosexual agenda and gay marriage. As it stands, many people
believe the forces of the gay agenda are on the side of rationality
and science while anti-gay forces are mired in superstitution,
reactionary bigotry, and old thinking. This is because gay agenda
people speak the words of science even if their science is all wrong,
or, at the very least, their linkage of scientific findings and social
policy is socially and morally unfeasible. The word 'homophobia' has
the ring of rational science, whereas words like 'god hates fags' or
'sodomites' have the ring of blind intolerance and hate. What the
right should emphasize is tolerance for homos and even respect for
homo contribution to human culture, civilization, arts, and ideas.
but, when it comes to social morality, homosexuality must play a
peripheral, if any role, in our affairs. all people--even homos--have
been created thru union of man and woman. the sexual union of man and
woman is the fundamental key to why humanity exists and will go on to
the exist. for that reason, there is a reason why society pays special ...

roller blade runner hotmail.com> writes:

Perhaps "homophobia" has "the ring of rational science" because
scientists use the term: as an example on the American Psychological
Association web site, look at

<http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&uid=1996-00463-014>,

which contains the abstract for the paper, "Is homophobia associated
with homosexual arousal?" Adams, Henry E.; Wright, Lester W.; Lohr,
Bethany A. Journal of Abnormal Psychology. 1996 Aug Vol 105(3)
440-445.

On Sat, 24 May 2008 14:34:26 -0700 (PDT), roller blade runner
hotmail.com> wrote:

Surprise: God defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman. It's
in Script.

duke, American-American
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In our last episode, 4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented duke broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:

Nonsense. Before the 9th century C.E., no one could get married in a
church. As for an endorsement of an institution that existed long before
any christian or Hebrew god, the best Paul could muster was that it was
better than burning.

duke wrote:

Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of
the other Zillah.
[Oh dear, first book of the Bible, and already there's a plurality of folks married
to one man. Hardy an auspicious start for the "Christian history says" angle...]

Genesis 29:21-28
And Jacob said unto Laban, Give [me] my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may
go in unto her. 22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.
23...

On Sun, 25 May 2008 15:40:09 -0400, Dionisio 5ellimd.com> wrote:

"duke" cox.net> wrote in message
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On May 25, 4:57 am, duke cox.net> wrote:

Marriage preexisted Christianity and has nothing to do with religion.
It has everything to do with establishing property rights and by
extension inheritance rights. It was not even a sacrament in the
Catholic Church until long after the founding of that church.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 01:00:11 +0100, "The Archangel Michael"
heaven.com> wrote:

duke wrote:

Well, the line was that marriage has always been between one man and one woman. That is a
lie, and plainly and clearly demonstrated by God's own Word.

However, should you desire to discard a large chunk of the Bible, that's your choice.

The examples are numerous and, yes, extend to the New Testament as well. Since you do not
appear to realize who you challenge, I say to you, "Behold!"

Matthew 19:8
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away
your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
[Golly, there's one...]

Luke 17:27
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day
that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[There's two...]