On Dec 5, 10:23 pm, Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well, we can call it a draw on that account. Christians are not any
>> less --or more-- than chimps.
>
> We might add your approach to clear logical thinking loc. There
> doesn't seem to be any good reason to point out any particular group
> of humans, since chimps are better at this skill than all humans
> except children.
Christians refuse to learn anything other than the Bible. So I guess
they are the less "sapiens" among the homo sapiens.
"Nothing is worse than active ignorance."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>> Abortion and Gay Marriage Are Red Herring Issues - Time To Move On
>>
thelittlelog.blogspot.com -- How long have politicians been arguing
>> about abortion and gay marriage? Too long in my opinion. I personally
>> am tired of it. They use these two issues to avoid real discussion of
>> all the other issues they need to be talking about and acting on ...
>
> Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an
> action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same
> thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from
> doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of "reasoning":
Yep, but you fight a wrong (abortion and gay marriage), while you
support another wrong: the war.
You don't even fight for healthcare for children, for that matter.
It's better to show dying kids in Africa, than fighting for justice
down there.
>
>
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/two-wrongs-make-a-right.html
>
> Your saying if anyone uses red herrings that we can all use red
> herrings, but how would we talk sense to each other if all we did was
> change or avoid the subject every time someone raised a subject.
>
> Its OK to be wrong sometimes, it should not change you basic reason
> for beleiving what you do. Just say, wooops, and go on, just don't
> make the same logical mistakes over and over, since it will diminish
> the strength of your position.
>
I don't see you doing any good for mankind other than piecemeal in
Africa or something that give you a high profile. What's the position
of the Christians about THE MOST PRESSING ISSUE OF OUR TIMES, CLIMATE
CHANGE? Is God coming before the end to save you? Dangerous thought.
>
>>> What's going on here? Even with six months of training, three students
>>> failed to catch up to the three young chimps, Matsuzawa said in an e-
>>> mail.
>
>>> He thinks two factors gave his chimps the edge. For one thing, he
>>> believes human ancestors gave up much of this skill over evolutionary
>>> time to make room in the brain for gaining language abilities.
>
>> And so religious people gave up any intelligence in order to memorize
>> the Bible.
>
> Red Herring that! There you go again, you know, by the theory given,
> all humans give up this sort of intelligence to learn something or
> other.
Well, I don't see your creativity at work anywhere. Memorizing quotes
is not being smart. Parrots are good at it.
>
>
>
>>> The other factor is the youth of Ayumu and his peers. The memory for
>>> images that's needed for the tests resembles a skill found in
>>> children, but which dissipates with age. In fact, the young chimps
>>> performed better than older chimps in the new study. (Ayumu's mom did
>>> even worse than the college students).
>
>
>> That's why you want to kill any creative thinking in kids through the
>> school system.
>
> Whether I contribute to the school system or not should have no
> bearing whatsoever on the truth or falsity of what I say. Thise
> arguments stand on their own.
>
> An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or
> argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the
> author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. ...The
> reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is
>
> that the character, circumstances,
> or actions of a person do not (in most cases)
> have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the
> claim being made (or the quality of the
> argument being made).
>
>
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
The are no ad-hominen attacks here. Perhaps ad-God.
>
>> Praying in school is good to prevent thinking, right?
>
>> "Public schools should be kept inclusive and secular in keeping with
>> our founders' ideas for religious liberty for all," said Cook.
>> "Because public schools are part of the government, official school-
>> organized or school-sponsored devotional exercises are inconsistent
>> with the principle of religious freedom."
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