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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: bigfletch8
Date: Jun 4, 2008 08:14

On Jun 4, 3:10 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Jun 3, 10:58 am, "bigflet...@gmail.com" gmail.com>
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>> I was hoping this film was going to be made when I first read the
>> book. Until recently, I thought it wasnt going ahead, but I see it has
>> been released in the US, but not Aus.
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>> I saw a couple of snippets on youtube, and I got the impression that
>> it really hit the mark.
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>> If it is as good as I think it is, it most likely wont be a big
>> success, but anyone here who watches it will at least have a better
>> insight into my ramblings :-)...
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>> I refer of course, to Nick Nolte playing the role of "Soc' in Dan
>> Millman's "The Peaceful Warrior".
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>> Watcha think ?
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>> BOfL
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> "Millman, or at least his publishing company try to portray him as the
> intellectual equal of Socrates, or perhaps Plato. Sadly, all he does
> is re-hash "Bubblegum Zen" philosophy, advocate vegetarianism and
> equate gymnastics with some deep meditative process. Worse, he does it
> with little sense of writing style, numerous factual errors, and a
> creepy relationship between him and an underage girl named Joy.
> One would expect a warrior, even a peaceful one, to show qualities
> like courage, stoicism, honor, loyalty, and so forth. Millman's self-
> portrayal is a whining, self-pitying, individual who shows absolutely
> no loyalty to his first wife (the most likable character in the book)
> and daughter. Particularly saddening is that his daughter is little
> more than a footnote, the reader never gets to feel any parental
> emotion from Millman.
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> Millman also is not so much an actor as something that is acted upon
> by outside forces. He has no apparent free will. His early ennui is
> caused by society, his enlightenment is caused by Socrates, his misery
> is caused by his wife, his happiness by Joy. He even blames her for
> leading him on about her age. I really don't understand how Millman
> could not have guessed that this girl for whom he was pining was not
> of age. He doesn't come across as dumb. His willingness to give in to
> every one of Socrates' demands too is a little bothersome, didn't the
> Heaven's Gate, Branch Davidian and Jonestown folks think their leaders
> were deeply enlightened? Think before you obey.
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> The best thing about this book is that it is an easy read, and most
> philosophy books do read like bad VCR instructions. However, Zen and
> the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, the Tao of Pooh and the Te of
> Piglet, are just as easy to read, a lot more fun, and have better
> messages. For that matter, Everything I Need to Know I Learned in
> Kindergarten is also an easy to read book that changes lives.
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> Some of you love this book, and that is really great, but please don't
> let this be an end to any search for enlightenment, after all there
> are five major world religions, dozens of minor ones, and dozens of
> schools of philosophy to explore. This book is a dip in a kiddy pool,
> let's try for the deep end."
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> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0915811006/ref=cm_rdphist_1?%%5Fe...- Hide quoted text -
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I would have had a similar view if I hadnt had many parallel
experiences depicted in the first book.

Same thing happened with Celestine Prophecy. It was almost like
reading my own diary.

Great intellectiual works? Of course not, but when you twist your
ankle ten minutes before you read about the character twisting his, it
takes on a whole new dimension.

If it happens on ten different occasions....unbelieveble. Literally
'unbelievable'. Which is why I know the futility of the belief systems
that you seem to be recommending. Heavens Gate?
How about "Free Iraq".All based on believers following orders, and in
the latter case "under god"

Experience is the only teacher. When one starts to 'join the dots' it
is amazing how and why external confirmation shows up, which is all Im
interested in doing.

Im not knocking that process. All part of the dynamic of the group
consciousness.The real 'deep end'.

BOfL
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