On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:52:11 -0700, jtnospam wrote:
>> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
>> lose.
>>
>>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. Â China does not have
>>> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
>>
>> They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
>> continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
>>
>> And that's exactly what they will do.
>>
>> 15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
>> 50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
>> it as the U. S.
>>
>> We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
>>
>> I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes
>> the rich.
>>
>> Most Americans won't be using any fuel whatsoever.
>>
>> In other words, we'll be living [read: dying] a "short brutish
>> existence."
>>
>> The important thing in the short term is to keep as many "downwardly
>> mobile" Americans connected and registered to vote.
>>
>> If they just become homeless and don't vote it will truly become
>> hopeless.
>>
>> The best we could hope for then is a caste system like India.
>>
>> Bret Cahill
>>
>> "We hit the jackpot."
>>
>> -- Reagan
>
> I don't get the either/or false dichotomy between drilling for more
> oil vs. alternative energy. We can do both.
Sure. We can do both. I fail to see any advantage to drilling NOW but
maybe there is. Oil ten years from now is just about worthless at
present and as we resolve the problem then the oil will still be
rather worthless.
> The Democrats, the
> supposed party of compassion, is letting the American people suffer as
> long as possible while helping themselves to payraises and lobbyist
> money to isolate themselves from pain at the pump, so that Bush and
> the Republicans don't get any credit for solving any problems.
There may be some truth to that. But if Bush and the Republicans are
offering drilling as a solution they are liars. But we already knew
that.
> It is a
> dangerous political strategy, and it could well backfire at them at
> the polls.
What will backfire at them is doing nothing. Drilling _IS_ nothing.
> We need some more oil discoveries to carry us through the transition
> to alternative energy without putting Americans into Great Depression-
> like poverty.
What part of "It will take 8 - 10 years to drill some more oil" do you
have such a problem with? That has been told to you people by the
people who actually KNOW, time and time again over and over and over. Yet
you just keep right on lying about the reality.
> The twenty year timeline is a false canard, in the
> eastern Gulf of Mexico, where the infrastructure is mostly in place,
> oil could flow in little over a year.
That is not confirmed by any source that I know of. And the last I saw
the drilling ships were booked for the next 3 years. You are spouting
total bullshit.
> on the west coast, there is
> already some infrastructure in place but more environmental
> restrictions, 3-5 years is about right. On the Atlantic side, 7-10
> years is a good projection. Most of the delays are not technical, they
> come from the legal challenges that Democrat envirowhiners keep
> pursuing thru the courts against any and every energy project, whether
> traditional or alternative.
This is just the usual rightarded crap. You people will NEVER stop lying.
It is in the genes.
> They fight the alternative wind and solar
> generators near them with Nimby nonsense because they are "ugly".
Ted moonbat Kennedy strikes again.
> We
> outlaw Americans from offshore drilling near our coasts,
That was done by your patron saint Ronald Reagan.
> but nothing
> keeps the Cubans, Chinese, Spaniards and Chinese from taking this oil,
> and they are planning to do it right now at this moment.
And I am a firm believer in opening a dialog with Cuba on that and
drilling the Florida Straight for that reason. Most Democrats would agree
with that. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. The Republicans want a
war over it or they want a mad race to see who can suck all the oil out
the fastest.
> None of these
> entities has as much experience and expertise as American drillers, so
> the likelihood of environmental contamination is much greater, and the
> high-paying jobs go tho foreigners.
Exactly right.
garbage deleted.
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of society but the people themselves; and
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exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
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