On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:59:44 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:
>> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
>> lose.
>>
>>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. China does not have
>>> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
>>
>> They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
>> continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
>>
>> And that's exactly what they will do.
>>
>> 15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
>> 50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
>> it as the U. S.
>>
>> We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
>>
>> I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes
>> the rich.
>>
>> Most Americans won't be using any fuel whatsoever.
>>
>> In other words, we'll be living [read: dying] a "short brutish
>> existence."
>>
>> The important thing in the short term is to keep as many "downwardly
>> mobile" Americans connected and registered to vote.
>>
>> If they just become homeless and don't vote it will truly become
>> hopeless.
>>
>> The best we could hope for then is a caste system like India.
>>
>>
>> Bret Cahill
>>
>>
>> "We hit the jackpot."
>>
>> -- Reagan
>
>
> You could be right, but it doesn't have to be that way. For sure there is
> going to be unbelievable upward pressure on petroleum. China is cranking out
> 20 million cars per year and a small percentage of their population enjoys
> anything like a middle class existence. Their plan is to move more and more
> people into the car owning middle class sucking up ever more oil.
>
> The US can break free of this cycle by developing alternative energy to it's
> fullest, The question is will we do it or will we try to continue our
> addiction to oil by attempting to drill our way out of this predicament like
> we did in the '80's.
Drilling is very, very stupid. But left to the Republicans that is what
they will do. The question really isn't how much fuel I can get in 8 - 10
years. The question is how much fuel can I get now, and in the next 6
years. The answer is another question and that is how much are we willing
to pay and how much are we willing to ask our government to do? If people
are willing to pay the current price for fuel then we can create a hellova
lot of fuel in 2 - 3 years. And that is a lot faster than the drilling
will do it. By the time drilling will have supplied any fuel we can
create significantly more than would have been available from the drilling.
> If we don't bite the bullet now and get serious about alternatives, we will
> wind up as you say destitute and homeless. While China is trying to build
> it's middle class, the US is in the midst of destroying its. Every thing
> points to a society made up of a few very rich and millions of destitute
> peasants like the third world or Europe a couple of hundred years ago.
It does not have to be that way. Just get rid of the Republican - oil
company fascists and we can prevent it.
> Let's hope you're wrong. The US can create massive wealth and prosperity by
> developing a self sustaining alternative energy industry employing
> thousands. Will we do it or will we continue down the disastrous path we are
> on?
We need instant imminent domain to acquire an average of 200 acres of
scrub land around current coal/natural gas fired power plants as directed
by the DOE and advised by the algae based biofuels people. These people
will have free use of the government owned land provided they produce
their fuel quotas of 50k gallons of lipids per acre per year. That is one
half of the claim of 100k gallons per year that has been made by the
Vertical closed systems people:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8hioZ7C6HLs&feature=related
That will produce 10 million gallons of lipids per algae farm per year.
A barrel of crude oil contains 34 gallons of fuel (diesel and gasoline).
So this 10 million barrels of lipids translates into 294 thousand barrels
a year or 816 barrels a day. As there are 1000 farms we would be
producing .8 million barrels a day from this initial effort. That is
almost as much as the ANWR is expected to produce, but the ANWR
will not produce anything for 8 to 10 years. The algae based lipids can
be on line in less than 3 years and we are only looking at 200 acres per
power plant.
But some folks are looking at 2000 acres at various power plants.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sBJ66Oim_Xw&feature=related
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