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Author: BretCahillBretCahill Date: Jun 27, 2008 07:04
I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
lose.
> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. China does not have
> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
And that's exactly what they will do.
15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
it as the U. S.
We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes
the rich.
Most Americans won't be using any fuel whatsoever.
In other words, we'll be living [read: dying] a "short brutish
existence."
The important thing in the short term is to keep as many "downwardly
mobile" Americans connected and registered to vote.
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Author: Bob EldBob Eld Date: Jun 27, 2008 09:59
> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
> lose.
>
>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. China does not have
>> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
>
> They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
> continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
>
> And that's exactly what they will do.
>
> 15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
> 50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
> it as the U. S.
>
> We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
>
> I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jun 27, 2008 10:23
>> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
>> lose.
>>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. �China does not have
>>> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
>> They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
>> continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
>> And that's exactly what they will do.
>> 15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
>> 50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
>> it as the U. S.
>> We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
>> I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes
>> the rich.
>> Most Americans won't be using any fuel whatsoever.
>> In other words, we'll be living [read: dying] a "short brutish
>> existence."
>> The important thing in the short term is to keep as many "downwardly
>> mobile" Americans connected and registered to vote.
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Author: (David P.)(David P.) Date: Jun 27, 2008 11:45
"Bob Eld" yahoo.com> wrote:>>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation.
>>> China doesn't have adequate resources for its
>>> people to live an American life style.
>
>> They can buy all they need as long as they
>> continue to work 16 hours/day.
>> And that's exactly what they will do.
>> 15 years from now oil will be petering off,
>> maybe 50%% of today and India & China will be
>> getting as much of it as the U. S.
>> We'll be living on 15%% of the petroleum we
>> now receive. Most won't be using any fuel
>> whatsoever.
>
> You could be right, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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Author: lorad474lorad474 Date: Jun 27, 2008 11:56
> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
> lose.
>
>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. Â China does not have
>> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
>
> They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
> continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
>
> And that's exactly what they will do.
>
> 15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
> 50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
> it as the U. S.
>
> We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
>
> I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes
> the rich. ...
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Author: jtnospamjtnospam Date: Jun 27, 2008 12:52
> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
> lose.
>
>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. Â China does not have
>> adequate resources for its people to live an American life style.
>
> They can buy all the coal, oil and food they need as long as they
> continue to, as both you and Warren Buffet suggest, work 16 hours/day.
>
> And that's exactly what they will do.
>
> 15 years from now world production of oil will be petering off, maybe
> 50%% of what it is today and India and China will be getting as much of
> it as the U. S.
>
> We will be living on < 1/6th of the petroleum we now receive.
>
> I'm using "we" the way the Gipper used it -- it really only includes
> the rich. ...
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Author: T. KeatingT. Keating Date: Jun 27, 2008 15:27
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT), jtnospam@ yahoo.com wrote:
>> I feel like Rhett telling the Southern plantation owners they gonna
>> lose.
>>
>>> The "brick wall" is the fact of overpopulation. Â China does not...
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Author: Rob DekkerRob Dekker Date: Jun 27, 2008 15:36
> It doesn't bode well that Congress is almost silent on energy. I'm
> starting to think they think it may be hopeless and their major
> concern is saving their own hides and shafting the great majority.
>
> I got a response from my congressman on my suggestion that we tax
> petroleum and rebating the money so we might move away from Big Oil in
> a civilized manner.
>
> "Thank you for contacting me with your energy concerns.
>
> Rest assured, I will keep your letter in mind should these issues
> come before the House of Representatives for a vote.
>
> Best wishes!"
It seems that not just Congress is silent, but so are the media and the American people also. Everyone seems to be in DENIAL.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jun 27, 2008 16:01
On Jun 27, 3:36�pm, "Rob Dekker" verific.com> wrote:>> It doesn't bode well that Congress is almost silent on energy. �I'm
>> starting to think they think it may be hopeless and their major
>> concern is saving their own hides and shafting the great majority.
>
>> I got a response from my congressman on my suggestion that we tax
>> petroleum and rebating the money so we might move away from Big Oil in
>> a civilized manner.
>
>> "Thank you for contacting me with your energy concerns.
>
>> �Rest assured, I will keep your letter in mind should these issues
>> come before the House of Representatives for a vote.
>
>> Best wishes!"
> ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jun 27, 2008 16:29
> I don't get the either/or false dichotomy between drilling for more
> oil vs. alternative energy. We can do both.
I'm not saying all drilling should cease, just that drilling will help
very little if at all.
When you consider we won't get a drop of oil from any new discoveries
until about the time China and India have economies the same size as
the U. S. and by then production will have already dropped
significantly.
In other words we'll _already_ be living on a small fraction of what
we use today and a new population "equillibrium" will probably have
_already_ occurred.
There is no credible scenario where drilling for more oil now will
make any significant difference in most Americans' lives. In fact,
drilling for oil is sucking a lot of resources and labor from our only
real hope of survival, sustainables.
The best we can do is tax petroleum and rebate the money to make the
transition as civilized as possible.
Bret Cahill
"The search for gold has impoverished more European countries . . ."
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