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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Apr 2, 2008 09:20
The Chinese, of all people, show us one example by building apartment
blocks in a rural area, then tearing down the village, moving everyone
into it, and using the land to garden. The heating/cooling needs of
the one building are a small fraction of what each of the houses
required. The garden produced the vast majority of all the food
needed.
But now, add broadband cable or satellite dish. Use the ground floor
for vehicle maintenance and whatever manufacturing the village finds
profitable. Run the whole operation as a vertically integrated small
business, with the staff living in the same building they work in.
Zero costs for commuting- car insurance, gasoline, and of course man-
hours lost in traffic. The per capita utility cost is so low that
nobody would have to work 40 hours, much less two jobs to meet
personal expenses. And whereas the nuclear family could not afford
alternative energy investment, when the system is scaled up for a few
hundred people, then the amortized cost per capita goes down to the
infrastructure costs of maintaining the grid- eg, repairing power
lines after ice storms or whatever.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 2, 2008 09:43
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:20:03 -0700, Day Brown wrote:
> The Chinese, of all people,
Nice outline. Sounds very hippie actually. small is beautiful and all that
I can not see how it can in general go any other way. Maybe even your
humanoids will become human again.
Again, thanks for the post.
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Author: TaylorTaylor Date: Apr 2, 2008 10:23
> The Chinese, of all people, show us one example by building apartment
> blocks in a rural area, then tearing down the village, moving everyone
> into it, and using the land to garden. The heating/cooling needs of
> the one building are a small fraction of what each of the houses
> required. The garden produced the vast majority of all the food
> needed.
>
> But now, add broadband cable or satellite dish. Use the ground floor
> for vehicle maintenance and whatever manufacturing the village finds
> profitable. Run the whole operation as a vertically integrated small
> business, with the staff living in the same building they work in.
>
> Zero costs for commuting- car insurance, gasoline, and of course man-
> hours lost in traffic. The per capita utility cost is so low that
> nobody would have to work 40 hours, much less two jobs to meet
> personal expenses. And whereas the nuclear family could not afford
> alternative energy investment, when the system is scaled up for a few
> hundred people, then the amortized cost per capita goes down to the ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Apr 2, 2008 10:25
good post and I think at this point in history with our state of
technology, we need some models that are quite different than the
"Santa CLause Machineery" model that we have been using of unlimited
resources with no consequence for ways of usage. But what happens if
we do build these machines, do we go back to whatever may be will be
and let the machines clean up after us and pay us...
A Santa Claus Machine, named after the folkloric Santa Claus, is a
hypothetical machine that is capable of creating any required object
or structure out of any given material. It is most often referenced by
futurists and science fiction writers when discussing hypothetical
projects of enormous scale, such as a Dyson sphere. These types of
future constructions would be too large for many civilizations to
build directly, so they would need a series of machines to
intelligently build the machine with little or no direct control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_machineery
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Author: tata Date: Apr 2, 2008 12:13
On Apr 2, 12:20 pm, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:> The Chinese, of all people, show us one example by building apartment
> blocks in a rural area, then tearing down the village, moving everyone
> into it, and using the land to garden. The heating/cooling needs of
> the one building are a small fraction of what each of the houses
> required. The garden produced the vast majority of all the food
> needed.
>
> But now, add broadband cable or satellite dish. Use the ground floor
> for vehicle maintenance and whatever manufacturing the village finds
> profitable. Run the whole operation as a vertically integrated small
> business, with the staff living in the same building they work in.
>
> Zero costs for commuting- car insurance, gasoline, and of course man-
> hours lost in traffic. The per capita utility cost is so low that
> nobody would have to work 40 hours, much less two jobs to meet
> personal expenses. And whereas the nuclear family could not afford
> alternative energy investment, when the system is scaled up for a few
> hundred people, then the amortized cost per capita goes down to the
> infrastructure costs of maintaining the grid- eg, repairing power ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Apr 2, 2008 12:36
On Apr 2, 12:23 pm, "Taylor" nospam.com> wrote:> Isn't Communism great?
I spoze that's how you'd look at it, moving the elderly and welfare
queens out into rural apartment blocks. But it'd save a ton of
taxpayer money, to have the seniors provide the childcare, while the
moms provide the senior care.
It would also make more real estate space available in the cities for
productive staff working for business in the urban core. Their
commutes could be a lot shorter.
But I know three professional women who've made a lotta money working
online, but off a satellite dish from their homes out in the Ozark
boonies. From time to time they must drive or fly to conferences,
corporate boardroom planning sessions or whatever, but otherwise work
in a back bedroom with a nice view of the woods out the window.
Now spoze they ramp this up, and put an entire office, such as
Superior Forestry has at Tilly AR. Their webpage helps support their
continental business arranging tree replanting contracts for
agribusiness, The forest Service, and the transnational paper
outfits.
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Author: James BathJames Bath Date: Apr 2, 2008 12:45
> The Chinese, of all people, show us one example by building apartment
> blocks in a rural area, then tearing down the village, moving everyone
> into it, and using the land to garden. The heating/cooling needs of
> the one building are a small fraction of what each of the houses
> required. The garden produced the vast majority of all the food
> needed.
>
> But now, add broadband cable or satellite dish. Use the ground floor
> for vehicle maintenance and whatever manufacturing the village finds
> profitable. Run the whole operation as a vertically integrated small
> business, with the staff living in the same building they work in.
>
> Zero costs for commuting- car insurance, gasoline, and of course man-
> hours lost in traffic. The per capita utility cost is so low that
> nobody would have to work 40 hours, much less two jobs to meet
> personal expenses. And whereas the nuclear family could not afford
> alternative energy investment, when the system is scaled up for a few
> hundred people, then the amortized cost per capita goes down to the ...
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Author: MichaelNJMichaelNJ Date: Apr 2, 2008 13:26
On Apr 2, 11:20 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:> The Chinese, of all people, show us one example by building apartment
> blocks in a rural area, then tearing down the village, moving everyone
> into it, and using the land to garden. The heating/cooling needs of
> the one building are a small fraction of what each of the houses
> required. The garden produced the vast majority of all the food
> needed.
>
> But now, add broadband cable or satellite dish. Use the ground floor
> for vehicle maintenance and whatever manufacturing the village finds
> profitable. Run the whole operation as a vertically integrated small
> business, with the staff living in the same building they work in.
>
> Zero costs for commuting- car insurance, gasoline, and of course man-
> hours lost in traffic. The per capita utility cost is so low that
> nobody would have to work 40 hours, much less two jobs to meet
> personal expenses. And whereas the nuclear family could not afford
> alternative energy investment, when the system is scaled up for a few
> hundred people, then the amortized cost per capita goes down to the
> infrastructure costs of maintaining the grid- eg, repairing power ...
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Author: MichaelNJMichaelNJ Date: Apr 2, 2008 13:27
On Apr 2, 2:45 pm, "James Bath" bellsouth.net> wrote:>> The Chinese, of all people, show us one example by building apartment
>> blocks in a rural area, then tearing down the village, moving everyone
>> into it, and using the land to garden. The heating/cooling needs of
>> the one building are a small fraction of what each of the houses
>> required. The garden produced the vast majority of all the food
>> needed.
>
>> But now, add broadband cable or satellite dish. Use the ground floor
>> for vehicle maintenance and whatever manufacturing the village finds
>> profitable. Run the whole operation as a vertically integrated small
>> business, with the staff living in the same building they work in.
>
>> Zero costs for commuting- car insurance, gasoline, and of course man- ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Apr 2, 2008 20:34
On Apr 2, 3:26 pm, Michae...@ gmail.com wrote: > The only thing missing is personal freedom. Now if only China can
> replace the workers with robots the circle would be complete.
Agreed, but this is not a political party platform. There are
downsides. Of course, as noted, the downside of economic collapse from
unsustainable levels of resource consumption have downsides as well.
As for personal freedom, one of the effects seen in China is how young
energetic people are leaving the villages for the economic opportunity
in cities, but then coming back for visits to those who are not able
to compete in the global economy. If you cant hack it in the city, you
dont have a lotta freedom either.
The vast majority of hominds evolved in small villages and tribes;
Barford "The Early Slavs" discusses an alternative he picks up on near
the end of the Roman empire. For a long time, the Legions became
little more than slave raiders across the Danube and Rhine. This
created a no-man's land that was left to grow up in brush with part of
the population hauled off to slavery and the rest fleeing
further-100-200 km away from the border.
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