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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: turtoni
Date: Jul 19, 2008 23:58

On Jul 20, 2:20 am, colp wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:01 pm, schill_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> After a bunch of arguing with the atheist discussion group, the whole
>> thing came to a crashing halt after I asked someone a simple question:
>
>> "Hey Mark, do you need to prove to yourself through the scientific
>> method that you exist in order to believe that you do?"
>
>> Atheists have no response to questions of that line of thought.  It's
>> funny how even the simplest of logic can leave a lot of room for them
>> to doubt their disbelief in God.
>
> It's a good way to stop a debate that is going nowhere. Ask them a
> question that they obviously should be able to answer, but are unable
> to because of a fallacy in their argument.

philosophically you present childish arguments that have been
considered thousands of years ago.

lets just take for example "the cross" in Christianity:

"The sun cross, a cross inside a circle, is one of the oldest and most
widespread of symbols. The Neolithic symbol combining cross and circle
is the simplest conceivable representation of the union of opposed
polarities in the Western world. Crossed circles scratched on stones
have been recovered from Paleolithic cave sites in the Pyrenees. At
the most famous megalithic site in Scotland, Callanish, crossing
avenues of standing stones extend from a circle. Scratched into stone
or painted on pottery, as on that of the Samara culture, the crossed-
circle symbol appears in such diverse areas as the Pyrenees in Old
Europe, the Anatolia, Mesopotamia, the Iranian plateau, and the cities
of Mohenjo-daro and Harappa in the Indus River valley. It may be
compared to the yin-yang symbol of the Eastern world.

In the prehistoric religion of Bronze Age Europe, crosses in circles
appear frequently on artifacts identified as cult items, for example
the "miniature standard" with an amber inlay that shows a cross shape
when held against the light, dating to the Nordic Bronze Age, kept in
the National Museum of Denmark, Copenhagen.[1] The Bronze Age symbol
has also been connected with the spoked chariot wheel, which at the
time was four-spoked (compare the Linear B ideogram 243 "wheel" Ï), a
technological innovation that reached Europe in the mid 2nd millennium
BC, and which in the context of the Sun chariot may also have had a
"solar" connotation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross

Can you imagine how these *stories* have been built upon..? Facts?
Just imagine your in your daily life the "facts" that surround your
activities may often seem to be not really "true"..

Using religion would seem to be a mental crutch that you bend and
twist to fold into your own stories.

Any outsider can detect the self serving hypocrisy inherit in your
arguments in relation to their position; hence the fighting..
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