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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 17, 2007 23:46
"In contemporary analytic philosophy, the issue of subject -- and more
specifically the "point of view" of the subject, or "subjectivity" --
has received attention as one of the major intractable problems in
philosophy of mind (another intractable issue being the mind-body
problem). In the essay What is it like to be a bat?, Thomas Nagel
famously argued that explaining subjective experience -- the "what it
is like" to be something -- is currently beyond the reach of
scientific inquiry, because scientific understanding by definition
requires an objective perspective, which, according to Nagel, is
diametrically opposed to the subjective first-person point of view.
These additional features of subjective experience are often referred
to as qualia (see Frank Cameron Jackson and Mary's room)."
H O P E .. T H A T .. H E L P S ..
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Aug 18, 2007 00:17
On Aug 18, 3:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> (another intractable issue being the mind-body
> problem).
Is a mind-body problem something like, the mind telling the feet to go
forward but they go backwards instead?
The mind telling your nose to blow but you suck in instead?
Explain, do you have other examples?
MG
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 18, 2007 03:53
> "In contemporary analytic philosophy, the issue of subject -- and more
> specifically the "point of view" of the subject, or "subjectivity" --
> has received attention as one of the major intractable problems in
> philosophy of mind (another intractable issue being the mind-body
> problem). In the essay What is it like to be a bat?, Thomas Nagel
> famously argued that explaining subjective experience -- the "what it
> is like" to be something -- is currently beyond the reach of
> scientific inquiry, because scientific understanding by definition
> requires an objective perspective, which, according to Nagel, is
> diametrically opposed to the subjective first-person point of view.
> These additional features of subjective experience are often referred
> to as qualia (see Frank Cameron Jackson and Mary's room)."
>
>
>
> H O P E .. T H A T .. H E L P S ..
>
If you read any of my input, you will appreciate my position on science, and ...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 18, 2007 04:00
> On Aug 18, 3:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>>> (another intractable issue being the mind-body
>> problem).
>
> Is a mind-body problem something like, the mind telling the feet to go
> forward but they go backwards instead?
>
> The mind telling your nose to blow but you suck in instead?
>
> Explain, do you have other examples?
>
> MG
>
A fucking typical piss witted question.......
I got nothing out of that style of response......however thought I would try
to see it through your eyes.;-)
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 18, 2007 11:51
On Aug 18, 3:17 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:> On Aug 18, 3:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>>> (another intractable issue being the mind-body
>> problem).
>
> Is a mind-body problem something like, the mind telling the feet to go
> forward but they go backwards instead?
>
> The mind telling your nose to blow but you suck in instead?
>
> Explain, do you have other examples?
>
> MG
The objective situation becomes a subjective situation if we want
meaning.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 18, 2007 17:27
> On Aug 18, 3:17 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:>> On Aug 18, 3:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>>>>> (another intractable issue being the mind-body
>>> problem).
>>
>> Is a mind-body problem something like, the mind telling the feet to go
>> forward but they go backwards instead?
>>
>> The mind telling your nose to blow but you suck in instead?
>>
>> Explain, do you have other examples?
>>
>> MG
>
> The objective situation becomes a subjective situation if we want
> meaning.
When "we" look, we get "group"meaning, which enables beliefs to grow. The ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Aug 18, 2007 22:06
On Aug 17, 11:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> "In contemporary analytic philosophy, the issue of subject -- and more
> specifically the "point of view" of the subject, or "subjectivity" --
> has received attention as one of the major intractable problems in
> philosophy of mind (another intractable issue being the mind-body
> problem). In the essay What is it like to be a bat?, Thomas Nagel
> famously argued that explaining subjective experience -- the "what it
> is like" to be something -- is currently beyond the reach of
> scientific inquiry, because scientific understanding by definition
> requires an objective perspective, which, according to Nagel, is
> diametrically opposed to the subjective first-person point of view.
> These additional features of subjective experience...
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Author: Atalanta, original G.Atalanta, original G. Date: Aug 18, 2007 23:22
On Aug 18, 11:51 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Aug 18, 3:17 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>> On Aug 18, 3:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:>
>>> (another intractable issue being the mind-body
>>> problem).
>
>> Is a mind-body problem something like, the mind telling the feet to go
>> forward but they go backwards instead?
>
>> The mind telling your nose to blow but you suck in instead?
>
>> Explain, do you have other examples?
>
>> MG
>
> The objective situation becomes a subjective situation if we want
> meaning.
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Aug 19, 2007 10:56
On Aug 18, 7:27 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>> On Aug 18, 3:17 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:>>> On Aug 18, 3:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:>
>>>> (another intractable issue being the mind-body
>>>> problem).
>
>>> Is a mind-body problem something like, the mind telling the feet to go
>>> forward but they go backwards instead?
>
>>> The mind telling your nose to blow but you suck in instead?
>
>>> Explain, do you have other examples?
> ...
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Aug 19, 2007 11:21
On Aug 19, 12:06 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Aug 17, 11:46 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>>> "In contemporary analytic philosophy, the issue of subject -- and more
>> specifically the "point of view" of the subject, or "subjectivity" --
>> has received attention as one of the major intractable problems in
>> philosophy of mind (another intractable issue being the mind-body
>> problem). In the essay What is it like to be a bat?, Thomas Nagel
>> famously argued that explaining subjective experience -- the "what it
>> is like" to be something -- is currently beyond the reach of
>> scientific inquiry, because scientific understanding by definition
>> requires an objective perspective, which, according to Nagel, is
>> diametrically opposed to the subjective first-person point of view.
>> These additional features of subjective experience are often referred
>> to as qualia (see Frank Cameron Jackson and Mary's room)."
>
>> H O P E .. T H A T .. H E L P S ..
>
> Sounds like something Berkeley might have said back in the
> Enlightenment. Maybe this "bat" thing is a species version of human ...
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