>>>>
>>>> 38 minutes .... i think it's ridiculous if you don't watch and listen
>>>> to every minute of it, before considering your freedom to go back to
>>>> spewing your own version of vicious racial diatribe.
>>>>
>
> That remark is what made it personal between me and you. I won't hold a
> grudge about it, but I will respond in like manner to statements like
> that. And if it gets a little sharp... well... that's part of what's
> enjoyable about passionate debates, right?
Yes, sure, it's kewl.
Which btw is why after you posted the over the top comments like "It's
ridiculous to say it's okay for Reverend Wright ..." and "the vicious
racial diatribe we witnessed coming.."
I figured you could handle the same typew of rhetoric in a reply.
So, no biggy, I withdraw my remarks, and let's forget it, and start over?
>
> It's still good to be having a dialogue about race. It needs to be
> understood that every race has pain and injustice to bare upon its own
> shoulders. Pain, suffering, and racial discrimination are not afflictions
> affecting only black people. Hunger, oppression, light bills, and
> austerity are not only experienced by black people. Everyone on the
> planet -- even the rich whites and blacks, browns and yellows -- have
> obstacles to overcome in their paths to self-acceptance and contentment.
> The incessant black whining about racism and oppression has to stop
> somewhere, sometime, this century or next, or the next. No other race is
> doing this -- but all are suffering equally.
>
It's the human condition .... not a racial one, is my feeling on it.
Still, individuals and groups do in fact make it a racial one, or a national
one, or a religious one nevertheless. People do, humans do react to
differences in other people's culture and appearance, as well as their own
pre-conceived & programmed/media-emphasised ideas about them.
It's just the way it is .. and some folks deal with that better than others.
That's humanity in action as well.
Stuff just happens, always will.
Further more, unless one has had the KKK in their front yards threatening to
kill them, and inside the house they know one of the KKK is the local
policeman, then they really have no idea how hard that is to handle, and how
traumatising it is, and how angry it can make one feel.
Same as a white parents whose daughter was raped/murdered by a black man,
these things can and do get in deep .... especially when the background
setting is so racially focused all the time......... and when such matters
extend back 220 years or so, as Obama mentioned.
No one is innocent, and no ones to blame either. For NOW is alll there is,
the past is history.
> I did hope, in the beginning of these primaries, that Obama was what he
> seemed to be, a black person who could rise above his own race and unite
> all races as equal, but he caved into the pressure of the blacks
> (especially the militant blacks) and fell. And no silky speech can cover
> it up for those of us who can see through that demagoguery.
>
>
So your frustrated, [or] disapppointed [or] angry because he hasn't risen to
your own high expectations at this point. Sounds reasonable.
But, what this event does show, is the HUGE level of "over-sensitivty"
whenever
anyone mentions the word "race or colour".
People have not reacted this for no reason, or necessarily your particular
reasons alone.
eg
The Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of a mostly white evangelical church of
about 12,000 in Central Florida, described Mr. Obama's speech, in which the
Democratic presidential candidate discussed his relationship with the former
pastor of his home church in Chicago, as a kind of "Rorschach inkblot test"
for the nation.
"It calls out of you what is already in you," Dr. Hunter said, predicting
that those desiring to address the topic would regard the speech as a spur,
while those indifferent to issues of race might pay it little heed.
Dr. Hunter said the Obama speech led to a series of conversations Wednesday
morning with his staff members. "We want for there to be healing and
reconciliation, but unless it's raised in a very public manner, it's tough
for us in our regular conversation to raise it," he said.
AND
But Ms. Murguia said she hoped that Mr. Obama's speech would help "create a
safe space to talk about this, where people aren't threatened or
pigeonholed" and "can talk more openly and honestly about the tensions,
both overt and as an undercurrent, that exist around race and racial
politics."
AND
"We thought it was unprecedented," said Mr. Fisher, a philosophy major. "We
had never heard a politician be so open to the issue of race.
"It's always very important to question your own beliefs and always
re-evaluate where you may stand on issues, based on new evidence."
He added: "I think that was the point of his speech."
from
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/us/politics/20race.html?ref=politics
On that note, i think obama hit the nail right on the head both with blacks,
and with whites, and the way out of it is to just focus on the problems
that needed fixing for "all children" now - as best as people can, and to
keep at it.
I thought that was a "new" and sincere approach, and an open handed way to
switch
the emphasis. I don't think he's a racist, or using the race card, or making
excuses for anyone ... I think he's just doing his best, and if folks don't
agree, then they don't vote for him. NO big deal.
I thought today, maybe Obama would make a better Minister than President.
not insulting the guy at all, just that he appears to have connected with a
whole braod range of people that goes far beyond the usual political
groupings.
Gee, even Bill O'Rielly gave him a pat on the back.
Thanks for your comments and response , cheers sean
