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A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: Sound of Trumpet
Date: Nov 2, 2007 20:51

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009123.html

A life-long atheist now believes in a divine Creator and attacks
Darwinism

(Note: Two readers in so-far unposted comments have challenged me on
the following point: if, as I agree, natural selection leads to
changes within a species, why couldn't it lead to new species? I will
try to reply to them soon. Below, Alan Roebuck, giving some acute
advice on how to reply to the challengers, explains how it is that
Darwinists so easily extrapolate from small changes to big changes.)
Gintas writes:

Here is a new book by former-atheist-but-now-theist Antony Flew:
"There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His
Mind." From this blog post, an excerpt:

Moving on now from the parable, it's time for me to lay my cards on
the table, to set out my own views and the reasons that support them.
I now believe that the universe was brought into existence by an...
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: Quadibloc
Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:09

Sound of Trumpet quoted, in part:
> I also disagree that
> Darwinism entails a lack of belief in moral truth. I arrived at that
> via Hume's is-ought distinction.

Hume couldn't have quite been right.

If God _is_, then what He wills is what ought to be.

Darwinism certainly makes atheism more tenable - although it doesn't
compel atheism. (It stands in the way of literal and uncritical
Biblical Christianity, yes. But, even if Fundamentalists find it hard
to see a difference, the people in the liberal denominations really
aren't atheists.)

And atheism doesn't compel the belief that there are no moral
absolutes - although most of the vocal atheists I've heard of in the
past decade or so do seem to advocate that position as well.

If we can deduce from the premise that God is, then what He wills is
right... then we can also deduce from the premise that *humans* exist,
and have feelings, that it is good to be nice to them, and bad to be
cruel.
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:21

On Nov 3, 12:51 pm, Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com>
wrote:
> http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009123.html
>
> A life-long atheist now believes in a divine Creator and attacks
> Darwinism

Therefore he was a theist all along.

MG
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:21

On Nov 2, 8:51 pm, Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com>
wrote:
> http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009123.html
>
> A life-long atheist now believes in a divine Creator and attacks
> Darwinism
>
> (Note: Two readers in so-far unposted comments have challenged me on
> the following point: if, as I agree, natural selection leads to
> changes within a species, why couldn't it lead to new species? I will
> try to reply to them soon. Below, Alan Roebuck, giving some acute
> advice on how to reply to the challengers, explains how it is that
> Darwinists so easily extrapolate from small changes to big changes.)
>

Below are the various definitions of the term species. Which of these
is the author referring to?

Definitions of species
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: William December Starr
Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:22

In article <1194061889.542458.74090@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com> quoted some annoying git:
> Here is a new book by former-atheist-but-now-theist Antony Flew:
> "There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed
> His Mind."

Oh yeah. *Real* notorious.

--
William December Starr panix.com>
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:26

On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 12:51 pm, Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> A life-long atheist now believes in a divine Creator and attacks
>> Darwinism
>
> Therefore he was a theist all along.
>

How so? Are you ponting out the suffix "theist" and its relationship
to the whole meaning?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_%%28linguistics%%29
> MG
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:32

On Nov 3, 11:51 am, Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com>
wrote:
> http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009123.html
>
> A life-long atheist now believes in a divine Creator and attacks
> Darwinism
>
> (Note: Two readers in so-far unposted comments have challenged me on
> the following point: if, as I agree, natural selection leads to
> changes within a species, why couldn't it lead to new species? I will
> try to reply to them soon. Below, Alan Roebuck, giving some acute
> advice on how to reply to the challengers, explains how it is that
> Darwinists so easily extrapolate from small changes to big changes.)
>
> Gintas writes:
>
> Here is a new book by former-atheist-but-now-theist Antony Flew:
> "There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His
> Mind." From this blog post, an excerpt:
> ...
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Author: Gene Ward Smith
Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:37

wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in
news:fggt1k$mge$1@panix3.panix.com:
> In article <1194061889.542458.74090@
> Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com> quoted some
annoying git:
>
>> Here is a new book by former-atheist-but-now-theist
Antony Flew:
>> "There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist
Changed
>> His Mind."
>
> Oh yeah. *Real* notorious.
>

I've seen the wanted posters in philosophy departments. The
man looks utterly ruthless.
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:43

On Nov 3, 12:09 pm, Quadibloc wrote:
> Sound of Trumpet quoted, in part:
>
>> I also disagree that
>> Darwinism entails a lack of belief in moral truth. I arrived at that
>> via Hume's is-ought distinction.
>
> Hume couldn't have quite been right.
>
> If God _is_, then what He wills is what ought to be.
>
> Darwinism certainly makes atheism more tenable - although it doesn't
> compel atheism. (It stands in the way of literal and uncritical
> Biblical Christianity, yes. But, even if Fundamentalists find it hard
> to see a difference, the people in the liberal denominations really
> aren't atheists.)
>
> And atheism doesn't compel the belief that there are no moral
> absolutes - although most of the vocal atheists I've heard of in the
> past decade or so do seem to advocate that position as well. ...
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Re: A Life-Long Atheist Now Believes In A Divine Creator And Attacks Darwinism         


Date: Nov 2, 2007 21:45

On Nov 3, 12:22 pm, wdst...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <1194061889.542458.74...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
> Sound of Trumpet HotPOP.com> quoted some annoying git:
>
>> Here is a new book by former-atheist-but-now-theist Antony Flew:
>> "There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed
>> His Mind."
>
> Oh yeah. *Real* notorious.
>
> --
> William December Starr panix.com>

Did he offer an evidence?
Well, I guess not.........
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