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A Case Against Solipsism         


Date: Feb 9, 2008 04:36

The "other people" that enable the third-person perspective
are themselves just objects within the first-person perspective,
so these two perspectives exhibit a fundamental asymmetry -- i.e. the
first-person perspective *encompasses* the third-person perspective.
Symmetry may be established only by moving away from the
epistemic point of view and adopting metaphysical position,
specifically the rejection of solipsism, and I consider this sufficient
reason for adopting that position. This also supports the very strong
implicit prejudice (itself a part of the first-person perspective) that
one cannot conceive of another person as being non-conscious
(and it is usual to extend this attribution to other kinds of objects such
as all mammals, possibly all animals, maybe even all living things).
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Feb 9, 2008 04:57

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:36:34 +0000, andy-k wrote:
> maybe even all living things

maybe even all things?
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: Miller
Date: Feb 9, 2008 05:54

"andy-k" wrote in message
news:m7hrj.5178$nG4.1411@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> The "other people" that enable the third-person perspective
> are themselves just objects within the first-person perspective,
> so these two perspectives exhibit a fundamental asymmetry -- i.e. the
> first-person perspective *encompasses* the third-person perspective.
> Symmetry may be established only by moving away from the
> epistemic point of view and adopting metaphysical position,
> specifically the rejection of solipsism, and I consider this sufficient
> reason for adopting that position. This also supports the very strong
> implicit prejudice (itself a part of the first-person perspective) that
> one cannot conceive of another person as being non-conscious
> (and it is usual to extend this...
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: Art
Date: Feb 9, 2008 06:19

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:57:28 +0000, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:36:34 +0000, andy-k wrote:
>
>> maybe even all living things
>
>maybe even all things?

Here's a "easy read" by a individual who believes a panexperientialist
viewpoint is helpful in the field of biology:
http://tinyurl.com/2kyx9b

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: zinnic
Date: Feb 9, 2008 09:20

On Feb 9, 6:57 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:36:34 +0000, andy-k wrote:
>> maybe even all living things
>
> maybe even all things?

In all things? Only in one's imagination. But that's being
solipstic! ;-)
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: thinker
Date: Feb 9, 2008 09:35

"andy-k" wrote in message
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> The "other people" that enable the third-person perspective
> are themselves just objects within the first-person perspective,
> so these two perspectives exhibit a fundamental asymmetry -- i.e. the
> first-person perspective *encompasses* the third-person perspective.
> Symmetry may be established only by moving away from the
> epistemic point of view and adopting metaphysical position,
> specifically the rejection of solipsism, and I consider this sufficient
> reason for adopting that position. This also supports the very strong
> implicit prejudice (itself a part of the first-person perspective) that
> one cannot conceive of another person as being non-conscious
> (and it is usual to extend this...
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: Art
Date: Feb 9, 2008 09:49

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:35:14 -0500, "thinker"
notreal.com> wrote:
>
>"andy-k" wrote in message
>news:m7hrj.5178$nG4.1411@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>> The "other people" that enable the third-person perspective
>> are themselves just objects within the...
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: 33333
Date: Feb 9, 2008 10:54

andy-k wrote:
> The "other people" that enable the third-person perspective
> are themselves just objects within the first-person perspective,
> so these two perspectives exhibit a fundamental asymmetry -- i.e. the
> first-person perspective *encompasses* the third-person perspective.
> Symmetry may be established only by moving away from the
> epistemic point of view and adopting metaphysical position,
> specifically the rejection of solipsism, and I consider this sufficient
> reason for adopting that position. This also supports the very strong
> implicit prejudice (itself a part of the first-person perspective) that
> one cannot conceive of another person as being non-conscious
> (and it is usual to extend this attribution to other kinds of objects such
> as all mammals, possibly all animals...
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Author: THE BORG
Date: Feb 9, 2008 13:39

"andy-k" wrote in message
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> The "other people" that enable the third-person perspective
> are themselves just objects within the first-person perspective,
> so these two perspectives exhibit a fundamental asymmetry -- i.e. the
> first-person perspective *encompasses* the third-person perspective.
> Symmetry may be established only by moving away from the
> epistemic point of view and adopting metaphysical position,
> specifically the rejection of solipsism, and I consider this sufficient
> reason for adopting that position. This also supports the very strong
> implicit prejudice (itself a part of the first-person perspective) that
> one cannot conceive of another person as being non-conscious
> (and it is usual to extend this...
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Re: A Case Against Solipsism         


Author: THE BORG
Date: Feb 9, 2008 13:55

"THE BORG" outthere.com> wrote in message
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And do not say you know about other life on Earth because you do not.
Life that can sense tsunami and flee while you humans drown like a load of
plum puddings.
Your adult ugly view that you perpetuate...
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