Brian Fletcher wrote:
>>
>> Dear Brian,
>> I really think you need to run all this stuff through
>> some epistemology.
>> Chazwin
>>
>
> Been doing that for 25 years. I dont try to trick people as you attempted to
> do.
What trick was this I 'd love to know?
Just becasue you have been dreaming for 25 years does not add to the
validity of numerology.
>
>
>> Brian Fletcher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brian Fletcher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> zinnic wrote:
>>>>>>> kevirwin wrote:
>>>>>>>> zinnic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Brian Fletcher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> last time I suggested that, Milan (or Zinnic) simply
>>>>>>>>>> suggested I
>>>>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>>>>> financial vested interest in doing so, which I found very
>>>>>>>>>> amusing.
>>>>>>>>>> Many ways
>>>>>>>>>> of "keeping the door closed".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sum of 1 thru 9 equals 45.
>>>>>>>>> The sum of 4 and 5 is 9
>>>>>>>>> 45 divided by 9 is 5
>>>>>>>>> The fifth letter in our alphabet is E.
>>>>>>>>> WOW! That is my middle initial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Impressive. BOfL my social security number is er...uhm .......
>>>>>>>>> Zinnic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How much longer can this bickering go on my friends????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay, as long as it's still funny!!!!!! (if you ever get to the
>>>>>>>> stage
>>>>>>>> Mikey & I are at, take my advice: QUIT)....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> K e v
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This "bickering" is essentially sniping in open warfare!
>>>>>>> I am unable to get into 'deep ' discussions with Brian and 'Mikey"
>>>>>>> because for me their views are extreme. My position is so
>>>>>>> antipathetic
>>>>>>> to Brian's beliefs in astrology, numerology, ESP etc and to
>>>>>>> "Mikey's"
>>>>>>> rejection of moderation in philosophy, politics and language, that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> leaves little room for any 'meetings of the minds' in a meaningful
>>>>>>> discussion. A coming together of an electron and positron results
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> zilch. Not even one photon of light.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find it a diversion, as I am sure they do (whilst they respond).
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> hold strong opinions on certain subjects which were hard come by in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> life experience and they will not easily be changed. I suspect that
>>>>>>> others are in the same position whether they admit it or not.
>>>>>>> Unlike Brian, I am in this forum to convince or be convinced and
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> simply to exhibit my wares. But any convincing will be incremental
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> cannot be expected to achieve more than a moderation of views. I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> moderated my views (slightly) over the last decade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me differing and arguing (not quarreling) is the engine of
>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>> learning. Points made in an argument may not be immediately
>>>>>>> persuasive but sow seeds that future contemplation may allow to
>>>>>>> germinate and blossom into a paradigm shift. Agreement
>>>>>>> consolidates
>>>>>>> one's views to the extent that one does not become so 'open minded'
>>>>>>> that one's brain drops out, and argumentation provides the
>>>>>>> ventilation
>>>>>>> that prevents the mind from becoming a closed suffocating system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re the stage you are with "Mikey", why do YOU not quit?. I suspect
>>>>>>> that his extreme statements motivate you to respond and provide
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> with fertile pastures in which you believe you can 'plough' him
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> and plant your points of view.
>>>>>>> It is just as much human nature to sow our memes as it is to sow
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> genes! (IMO)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>> Zinnic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good reply, Z. It's the kind of post I expected to be "the norm" in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> forum with the name "philosophy" in it. I **have** gotten over my
>>>>>> initial shock. 23 years in the military and coming from New York
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> prepared me well for battling "Internet Supermen".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we talked once before about this, but I **really** don't have
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> agenda to "persuade" anyone about anything (other than, it would
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> sense if we could all be a bit more civil).
>>>>>> I truly came here to see why people believe what they do, not
>>>>>> convince
>>>>>> them they're wrong. After all, (warning, dead Beatle quote) whatever
>>>>>> gets you through the night, is all right. I'm 58, and like you,
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> expect significant changes in my thoughts & beliefs to occur from
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I read here. Being a "loner" most of my life hasn't afforded me the
>>>>>> opportunity to "socialize" with others to try and understand their
>>>>>> thought processes, but this venue seemed like a pretty good idea
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> year (and I haven't given this up as a forlorn hope, *yet*).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't really say why I bother with Mikey. Egotism?? Maybe. So now
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> seems his rants may be the result of posting when drunk...I'll get
>>>>>> tired of it and quit at some point; I'll just let my mood be the
>>>>>> determinant...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a lot of pretty bright people in this forum, I don't have to
>>>>>> agree as long as I can communicate (i.e. two-way understanding,
>>>>>> concurrence not required).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like reading your posts,
>>>>>> K e v
>>>>>
>>>>> So do I until he turns agressive and personal.
>>>>>
>>>>> To roughly quote and old cop show, "Give me the facts maam, just the
>>>>> facts".
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your description of being a loner, my guess is your
>>>>> numerological
>>>>> value of your birthdate is likely "8". (add your month and day to 1949
>>>>> and
>>>>> you have it).
>>>>>
>>>>> (Never let a chance go by.... hehehehe)
>>>>>
>>>>> BOfL
>>>>
>>>> hey I'm 58...born in 48...tell me how you get 8; I'll tell you if it
>>>> works...
>>>> K e v
>>>
>>> Add the day and month number to the year (1948 = 4). so if it was may
>>> 4th,
>>> you would add 4 to 5 to 4 which totals '4', being your life path number.
>>>
>>> I guessed at '8' because one of the characteristics of '8' is that of a
>>> "loner".
>>>
>>> Give me the actual number, and I'll give you the approriate description,
>>> with also the major timing of significant parts of your life.
>>>
>>> The full picture emerges when you add the "qualities" to the destiny of
>>> the
>>> life path number, being the full birth name.Kevin for example, if that
>>> was
>>> you full name is a '6' name, being very ideological (the six pointed star
>>> being one of the most famous geometrical icons"). Each letter is numberes
>>> 1-9 and then repeats ie a=1 i=9, j = 1 and so on to z being 8.
>>>
>>> The the total of the vowels indicate what a person aspires to or dreams
>>> about, the consonants is how he appears superficially, and the total of
>>> both
>>> are the day to day qualities that he will express if he is in harmony
>>> with
>>> himself.
>>>
>>> I , for instance have an '8' life path. The loner, entrepeneur, authority
>>> figure, with a chracter number '4', being practical and pragmatic.
>>> Engineers
>>> have this common background.
>>>
>>> My "dream" number is '2', which is the suppurting nurturing energy, from
>>> which the best coaches emerge.
>>>
>>> Puttting that altogether, My entreprenerial skills resukted in the most
>>> succesfull privately owned chain of health clubs in Aus. The driving
>>> dream
>>> was to proveid the best coaching available, and my '4' engeneerad it into
>>> reality.
>>>
>>> I started in 1978, (a '1' year in the '9' year cycle, sold out in '87...a
>>> "9" year, started up again in a '88 (a '1' year again and sold our in
>>> '97'
>>> another 9 year.
>>>
>>> fact is , back then I had no idea which "year " i was in. Just followed
>>> my
>>> intuition, (which is another '2' quality.
>>>
>>> Of course, it worked our perfectly in tune with all cycles, because I was
>>> being " true to myself's " ;-)
>>>
>>> BOfL
>>
