$50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?
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$50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Robert Cohen
Date: Jun 14, 2008 10:40

I am also posting this to an inventors n.g.

I now rationally assume that it doesn't do what is claimed, despite
this apparently phony or erroneous or doctored "news" video.

Because if it does do what is claimed, then the ^&*%%() oil price would
be in decline.

Lesson #1, the internet as per ordinary reality is a jungle

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/16531082/index.html
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Robert Cohen
Date: Jun 14, 2008 10:44

On Jun 14, 1:40 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> I am also posting this to an inventors n.g.
>
> I now rationally assume that it doesn't do what is claimed, despite
> this apparently phony or erroneous or doctored "news" video.
>
> Because if it does do what is claimed, then the ^&*%%() oil price would
> be in decline.
>
> Lesson #1, the internet as per ordinary reality is a jungle
>
> http://www.wsoctv.com/video/16531082/index.html

yeah, i've surely been punked, plinked and ponked:
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 14, 2008 14:00


Some possibly reputable sources have suggested using a little
electricity from the alternator to generate a little H2 and O2 (2H2O +
electricity => 2H2 + O2) will in fact improve the combustion of
diesel or gasoline enough so that the higher efficiency of the fuel
combustion more than pays for the energy taked from the engine by the
higher load on the alternator belt.

But it ain't gonna be an 100%% _overall_ increase in efficiency.

The first question in any efficiency improvement claim is "where was
the inefficiency in the first place?"

The hard fact of life is that most of the fuel is _already_ being
burned in a well tuned vehicle's cylinders.

GM claims they can improve fuel efficiency by 15%% with better
combustion but that engine won't be out for at least 6 years.

So the real improvement in any after market enhanced combustion
approach to improving efficiency is less than 15%%, probably much less.

The "mechanical engineer" on the videoclip was flat out lying about
the 70 mpg.
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Date: Jun 14, 2008 15:03

Dear Bret Cahill:

"Bret Cahill" aol.com> wrote in message
news:f863c08d-388c-4e86-9567-3c0ac934b879@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
...
> The first question in any efficiency improvement
> claim is "where was the inefficiency in the first
> place?"
>
> The hard fact of life is that most of the fuel is
> _already_ being burned in a well tuned vehicle's
> cylinders.

It is "just" a matter of having maximum pressure at mid stroke.

...
> There already is a $60 invention that will vastly
> improve miles/ gallon. It was invented over
> 150 years ago:
>
> The bicycle.
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Greg Locock
Date: Jun 14, 2008 16:47

Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote in news:f863c08d-388c-4e86-9567-
3c0ac934b879@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
> Some possibly reputable sources have suggested using a little
> electricity from the alternator to generate a little H2 and O2 (2H2O +
> electricity => 2H2 + O2) will in fact improve the combustion of
> diesel or gasoline enough so that the higher efficiency of the fuel
> combustion more than pays for the energy taked from the engine by the
> higher load on the alternator belt.

Talk to this guy

www.mame.mu.oz.au/people/staff/cvs/HCW%%20CV%%20Webpage%%202006.pdf

He's been investigating the use of hydrogen as a combustion modifier for
decades. They call it HAJI.

By improving the combustion process they get a bigger gain than the energy
it takes to make the hydrogen in the first place. Basically they use the
hydrogen to allow an engine to run reliably when running very lean.

Cheers

Greg Locock
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 14, 2008 18:31

>
>> Some possibly reputable sources have suggested using a little
>> electricity from the alternator to generate a little H2 and O2 (2H2O +
>> electricity => 2H2 + O2) �will in fact improve the combustion of
>> diesel or gasoline enough so that the higher efficiency of the fuel
>> combustion more than pays for the energy taked from the engine by the
>> higher load on the alternator belt.
>
> Talk to this guy
>
> www.mame.mu.oz.au/people/staff/cvs/HCW%%20CV%%20Webpage%%202006.pdf
>
> He's been investigating the use of hydrogen as a combustion modifier for
> decades. They call it HAJI.
>
> By improving the combustion process they get a bigger gain than the energy
> it takes to make the hydrogen in the first place. Basically they use the...
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 14, 2008 19:08

>> There already is a $60 invention that will vastly
>> improve miles/ gallon. �It was invented over
>> 150 years ago:
>> The bicycle.
> How true. �Of course, they are a little more than $60 for an
> adult...

Maybe $100 at Walmart but we weren't talking new stuff anyway. The
fuel scam was aftermarket.

Bret Cahill
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 15, 2008 09:02

>> The first question in any efficiency improvement
>> claim is "where was the inefficiency in the first
>> place?"
>
>> The hard fact of life is that most of the fuel is
>> _already_ being burned in a well tuned vehicle's
>> cylinders.
>
> It is "just" a matter of having maximum pressure at mid stroke.

The only way to make significant improvements in efficiency of ICE is
to play with the thermo cycle itself, i. e., recuperated low pressure
ratio.

Use different machinery to compress the air and expand the gas and use
the exhaust to preheat the air after it is compressed but before it is
combusted in or before the expander.

The engine is considerably larger for the power than high compression
ratio but engine size is just not an issue in many applications, i.
e., ships. The cost of _bunker_ is the issue on ships.
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: tg
Date: Jun 15, 2008 09:44

On Jun 14, 9:31 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> Some possibly reputable sources have suggested using a little
>>> electricity from the alternator to generate a little H2 and O2 (2H2O +
>>> electricity => 2H2 + O2) �will in fact improve the combustion of
>>> diesel or gasoline enough so that the higher efficiency of the fuel
>>> combustion more than pays for the energy taked from the engine by the
>>> higher load on the alternator belt.
>
>> Talk to this guy
>
>
>> He's been investigating the use of hydrogen as a combustion modifier for
>> decades. They call it HAJI.
>
>> By improving the combustion process they get a bigger gain than the energy
>> it takes to make the hydrogen in the first place. Basically they use the
>> hydrogen to allow an engine to run reliably when running very lean. ...
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Re: $50 Device Doubles Mileage: Isn't It Another #$%%^& Scam?         


Author: N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
Date: Jun 15, 2008 10:02

Dear Bret Cahill:
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