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Author: SammybabySammybaby Date: Dec 5, 2006 03:32
Interesting. Just going to respond to the first one:
could the morphine inhibitor inhibit the body's own pain reducers?
More interesting to me would be a placebo training program. Where you
train people to increase their ability to produce placebo effects,
perhaps by interspersing placebos amongst 'real' drugs, at times
telling recipients that now they are going to get a really big dose -
then give them the placebo. In other words see if you can stimulate
very large biochemical reactions in people's bodies. And increase this
over time. I would also be interested to see what what would happen if
you tried to train their minds afterwards. In other words show them
the results, be as professional as possible and try to convince them
that this experiment proves they can do this on their own. Very few
people believe that they can minimize their symptoms and even diseases
through their own power. But if the scientific community focused on
certain individuals who showed strong results, they might be able to
affect belief, both individually and on a societal level. Get a lever
in there and start shifting beliefs about what we can change in
ourselves.
Sir Frederick wrote:
> 13 things that do not make sense ...
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Author: SammybabySammybaby Date: Dec 5, 2006 03:36
Rupert Sheldrake has suggested that some constants may change over
time. (this, in response to number 2)
Sir Frederick wrote:
> 13 things that do not make sense
> 19 March 2005
> NewScientist.com news service
> Michael Brooks
> http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18524911.600
>
> 1 The placebo effectDON'T try this at home. Several times a day, for several days, you induce pain in someone. You control the pain
> with morphine until the final day of the experiment, when you replace the morphine with saline solution. Guess what? The saline
> takes the pain away.
> This is the placebo effect: somehow, sometimes, a whole lot of nothing can be very powerful. Except it's not quite nothing. When
> Fabrizio Benedetti of the University of Turin in Italy carried out the above experiment, he added a final twist by adding naloxone,
> a drug that blocks the effects of morphine, to the saline. The shocking result? The pain-relieving power of saline solution
> disappeared.
> So what is going on? Doctors have known about the placebo effect for decades, and the naloxone result seems to show that the placebo
> effect is somehow biochemical. But apart from that, we simply don't know.
> Benedetti has since shown that a saline placebo can also reduce tremors and muscle stiffness in people with Parkinson's disease
> (Nature Neuroscience, vol 7, p 587). He and his team measured the activity of neurons in the patients' brains as they administered ...
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Author: SammybabySammybaby Date: Dec 5, 2006 03:47
I'll respond to four and call it day. Very interesting batch.
I think scientists have trouble with causal interaction they can't
track given the current understanding of causal actions. This leads to
overconfidence when denying the possibility of phenomena that seem to
have other kinds of causal interactions. As anectdotal evidence, let
me tell you about when I took the wrong homeopathic remedy once. I had
the flu and a friend gave me a homeopathic remedy they had, that they
were sure was for symptoms like mine, that they had received when they
had the flu. Unfortunately they were wrong. I felt panicked, sicker,
but now with aches in new places and a sore throat. If you have
symptoms the like against like creates a paradoxical reaction -
according to homeopaths - and they symptoms disappear. But if you
don't have symptoms then you experience the symptoms the remedies
caused in volunteers homeopaths tested the various solutions on. And
these, they claim, repeat in most testees. I later checked the remedy
my friend had given me, looked it up in a homeopathic book, and lo and
behold I had symptoms that fit the picture of that remedy. I could not
have known what these symptoms were - well, I guess I could have read
an article and forgotten it - nevertheless I got them. And my flu
symptoms did not go away. ...
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Author: Citizen BobCitizen Bob Date: Dec 5, 2006 06:01
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:49:36 -0800, Sir Frederick
fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>1. Doctors have known about the placebo effect for decades
And scientists know that pain is caused by apprehension. Remove the
apprehension and the pain goes away. Eric Berne, the author of pop
psychology books in the 1970s said that he could overcome dental pain
by employing sexual fantasies.
>2 "Inflation would be an explanation if it occurred,"
The Big Bang is not a theory - it is an hypothesis that is subject to
being debunked with string theory. Our little universe is the result
of an outpocketing of the Universe (totality of the material world).
>3 His special theory of relativity says that space is the same in all directions
That's only true in a field-free space. Gravitation warps space - that
is not uniform.
>4 Belfast homeopathy results
Enough of this nonsense.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Dec 5, 2006 13:05
Sammybaby wrote:
> Interesting. Just going to respond to the first one:
> could the morphine inhibitor inhibit the body's own pain reducers?
> More interesting to me would be a placebo training program. Where you
> train people to increase their ability to produce placebo effects,
> perhaps by interspersing placebos amongst 'real' drugs, at times
> telling recipients that now they are going to get a really big dose -
> then give them the placebo. In other words see if you can stimulate
> very large biochemical reactions in people's bodies. And increase this
> over time. I would also be interested to see what what would happen if
> you tried to train their minds afterwards. In other words show them
> the results, be as professional as possible and try to convince them
> that this experiment proves they can do this on their own. Very few
> people believe that they can minimize their symptoms and even diseases
> through their own power. But if the scientific community focused on
> certain individuals who showed strong results, they might be able to
> affect belief, both individually and on a societal level. Get a lever
> in there and start shifting beliefs about what we can change in
> ourselves.
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Author: impartially_insaneimpartially_insane Date: Dec 7, 2006 23:37
Sir Frederick wrote:
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> 7 TetraneutronsFOUR years ago, a particle accelerator in France detected six particles that should not exist. They are called
> tetraneutrons: four neutrons that are bound together in a way that defies...
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