My take on the conversation below is that he said that Zazen
is completely useless, a total waste of time, and wrong
view. I hold my view tentatively, and I simultaneously hold
the opposite view that others here have proposed. I
currently allocate more weight to Zazen being useless than
it being worthwhile.
What has worked very well for me in the past has been
adopting new views by adopting new lines-of-reasoning. This
has worked very well, and provided significant fruits. So
far my every attempt at ZaZen has at best resulting in about
the same effect as a beer.
"Awaken21"
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On Dec 28, 10:35 pm, "Peter Olcott" SeeScreen.com>
wrote:> My point exactly.
Except you don't sit Zazen 6-8 hours a day like these Zen
monks did.
Remeber both sides of this argument sit Zazen to a rigourous
schedule.
You think that being the case they might be talking about
something
you're just not getting?
You still haven't solved your first koan.
> ~There is a famous story about Master Nan-yueh and his
> student, Ma-
> tsu. Upon finding Ma-tsu sitting intently in meditation,
> Nan-yueh
> picked up a piece of tile and began grinding it with a
> stone
> just
> outside Ma-tsu's hut.
> Ma-tsu, somewhat annoyed, asked, "Why are you doing this?"
> Nan-yueh
> replied, "I am polishing the tile to make a mirror out of
> it."
> In ancient times, mirrors were made of bronze and had to
> be
> regularly
> polished so that they would reflect. Ma-tsu said, "That's
> ridiculous,
> you can't make a mirror by polishing a piece of tile." To
> which Nan-
> yueh Huai-jang retorted sharply, "If you can't make a
> mirror
> by
> polishing a tile, how can you possibly become a Buddha by
> sitting in
> meditation?"~
> --
> RaaN
