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  Difference between 'did not apply its mind' & 'is wrong'         


Author:
Date: Sep 19, 2008 06:20

The standard jargon for an appeal application is that the
lower 'Court did not [correctly ?] apply its mind to' various
issues. I'm suspecting that this wording is perhaps not just
another nauseating politeness, but has real legal signifcance.

Is there a legal significance between the Court 'arrived at the
wrong conclusion' and 'did not apply its mind to' re. appeal
applications ?

== TIA.
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  Difference between 'did not apply its mind' & 'is wrong'         


Author:
Date: Sep 19, 2008 05:31

The standard jargon for an appeal application is that the
lower 'Court did not [correctly ?] apply its mind to' various
issues. I'm suspecting that this wording is perhaps not just
another nauseating politeness, but has real legal signifcance.

Is there a legal significance between the Court 'arrived at the
wrong conclusion' and 'did not apply its mind to' re. appeal
applications ?

== TIA.
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  Civil= between privateS; Criminal= with State; Admin= mixture ?         


Author:
Date: Sep 19, 2008 05:29

Since criminal law applies between the citizen and the state,
and civil law applies between private citizens, where does
Administrative law fit on this spectrum ?

Particularly law re. land taxes - owing to a municipal authority ?

Apparently under criminal law the accused has more protection
than a civil accused. What is the reason, and what reasoning
applies to an admin-law defendant, on this issue ?

What is the basis for the principle in law that 'charges are handles
differently to taxes' ? Ie. it happens that the key issue was
whether the amount was a 'charge' or a 'tax'.

No it's not a school project, but I want the abstract theory
before 'rule clerks' give me street wise 'how it works in their
town/jurisdiction'.

== TIA
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  Re: Defective-procedure & estoppel & quasi-partnerships         


Author:
Date: Sep 10, 2008 19:23

nospam wrote:
>OP cited extract of law report:
>>BEN-TOVIM v BEN-TOVIM AND OTHERS 2001 (3) SA 1074,
>>where it was reported that [now divorceing] hysband & wife owned
>>50%% each in private company, and he manipulated her into a minority
>>position and together with the extra/new shareholder out-voted her.

nospam wrote:
> You did not make clear in your earlier postings that the husband alone
> or in league with another shareholder than the wife at the times
> relevant to the cited litigation owned, singly or in the aggregate,
> more than and that the wife owned less than fifty percent of the
> company's shares.

Correct, because the mechanism which he used to get majority
control is irrelevant to my topic: quasi partnership relations
follow the principle that partners owe extreme fiduiary duty
'inter se', and NOT like public companies.

OTOH it IS relevant that when they 'started' [ie. before the
'breakdown'] the 50/50 is a STRONG indication of a partnership
INTENTION ....
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  Re: Defective-procedure & estoppel & quasi-partnerships         


Author:
Date: Sep 2, 2008 01:13

OP cited extract of law report:
BEN-TOVIM v BEN-TOVIM AND OTHERS 2001 (3) SA 1074,
where it was reported that [now divorceing] hysband & wife owned
50%% each in private company, and he manipulated her into a minority
position and together with the extra/new shareholder out-voted her.
Her application to the S.African court for relief was refused, on the
well known Foss v Harbottle principles of UK law, where SA follows,
with some years lag the UK commercial law. OTOH, UK & commonwealth
jurisdictions have accepted the 'quasi partnership principle', which
applies to small, closely-held, especially by family members, PRIVATE
companies. Since one recent case in S.Africa succeeded on these grounds,
the OP contends that the BEN-TOVIM application whould have succeeded
too if the applicant's attorney...
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  Reasonable expectation of adequate accounting ?         


Author:
Date: Aug 26, 2008 09:34

I'm looking for some goog-phrases to find some cases, where
'reasonable expectation of adequate accounting' was a cause of
action.

Logically where the complainant is a captive client, ie. of some
guvmint-department, the abuse of non-decipherable accounts,
and only after there has been a demand for accounting will be
seen as unjust, and consequently many jurisdictions will have
passed laws against such ?

Can anybody please point me to statutes or cases ?

TIA,

== Chris Glur.
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  Defective-procedure & estoppel & quasi-partnerships         


Author:
Date: Aug 15, 2008 02:25

wikipedia on FRCP tells that:-
"Before the FRCP were established, common law pleading was more
formal, traditional, and particular in its phrases and requirements.
For example, a plaintiff bringing a trespass suit would have to
mention certain key words in his complaint or risk it being dismissed
with prejudice."

Someone said: "to restrict the 'practice' to the black-gown-mafia ?"

So if such an omission caused a dismissal, was a correction for
a later re-application barred by the principle of estoppel ?

I've noticed that in my 3rd world jurisdiction-location, that
some applications for relief for minority share holders have
been rejected on the Foss v Harbottle principle [and the idea
that companies are governed by their internal articles &
memorandum, so that Courts should not interfere], whereas the
facts [few shareholders & all family/related] would allow the
'effective quasi partnership' principle, which has been accepted
in UK company cases, and which UK company law my
jurisdiction-location follows.

Wow, how crappy: 9 line of one sentence - sorry !
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  Re: Black Holes... Not in Dallas County!         


Author: Seth
Date: Jul 19, 2008 19:45

In article 4ax.com>,
gSNIPMEmail.com> wrote:
>I didn't see this image, but it must have pretty clearly been
> libelous.

Why?
> All the link returns now is "The file you requested was removed for
>violating MediaFire's Terms of Service or Acceptable Use Policy."
>
>Doesn't help your case that a disinterested third party found it to be
>libelous.

It doesn't say that they found it libelous, either. Just that it
apparently violated their ToS. Maybe it was too big. Maybe someone
didn't pay a bill. Does their ToS state that the only violation is
"libelous postings"? If not, it might well have been removed for some
other reason.

The typical ToS says "... and anything else we don't want" (in
legalese).
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  Re: Black Holes... Not in Dallas County!         


Author: Hal Burton
Date: Jul 19, 2008 06:31

On 2008-07-18 16:33:38 -0500, IANAL - Neither Are You -
ianal.nay@gSNIPMEmail.com said:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:50:30 -0500, George Kerby hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> And, you might just be stupid enough to take action for a reactionary
>> name-calling on my part: Remember your repeated "Mother-fucker" howlings at
>> me? So if "I called you a "Father-packer", instead of a child molester, it
>> would be OK?
>>
>> What a stupid asshole you are!
>>
>> Sue me for that, imbecile...
>
> As always, IANAL, but neither are you.

But are you a sock puppet?
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  Re: Black Holes... Not in Dallas County!         


Author: George Kerby
Date: Jul 18, 2008 17:07

Hello PeePee. Good to see that your stupid ass is cross-posting again. A
violation that you abhor, you fuckin hypocrite asshole. What a tool! Find
another nick, fuckwad!

On 7/18/08 4:33 PM, in article jlu184hdcqa4ghcl1pv8ppab9127aebabf@4ax.com,
"IANAL - Neither Are You - ianal.nay@gSNIPMEmail.com" You - ianal.nay@gSNIPMEmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:50:30 -0500, George Kerby hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> And, you might just be stupid enough to take action for a reactionary
>> name-calling on my part: Remember...
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