Leland C. Scott wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:04:11 +0000, Larry Smith wrote:
>
>> LeIand C. Scot wrote:
>>> "Darrell Stec"
webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4617dee6$0$24767$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...>>>> I use the KDE menu editor on openSuse 10.2 on almost a daily basis. It
>>>> works fine for me.
>>>
>>> I really hate to say this but if it works so good then why do you write
>>> this below?
>>>
>>>> The only quirk I've found is that in adding a new
>>>> folder and then an item, neither the folder nor the item shows up. For
>>>> instance if I add a subfolder under the Wine fold called WineUtils and
>>>> add an item called Infanview, I can see neither WineUtils nor Infanview
>>>> in the
>>>> Wine folder. However If I add a WineUtils subfolder under Wine and
>>>> then add another WineUtils subfolder under the WineUtils subfolder and
>>>> then add the Item Infanview to the second WineUtils subfolder, then I
>>>> will get the
>>>> following hierarchy: Wine --> WineUtils --> Infanview. Somehow the
>>>> first WineUtils subfolder disappears but the second one is displayed
>>>> with all the
>>>> items within it.
>>>
>>> I have zero problems using the menu editor for KDE on a Fedora Core 5
>>> system I have. It works exactly like you would expect. However Novel in
>>> their quest to make a "product" (OpenSuse 10.2) that has their branding
>>> on it, and add "features" to differentiate it from other distros, they
>>> broke the menu system. In fact I found the following link below.
>>>
>>>
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Unapplied_Changes_in_K_Menu
>>>
>>> When you try the command line version of the fix all I got was a stream
>>> of error messages about the files don't exist, but instead are links to
>>> the
>>> files. Finally the command quits with a final error message about some
>>> database can't be found. I'm not impressed.
>>>
>>> All I can say is if the Linux community really wants this OS to succeed
>>> on the desktop then simple tasks like editing the menus "just has to
>>> work period right out of the box." Nobody should have to be a system
>>> admin just to have the skills to add a simple item to the desktop menus.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The first sentence of the "Solution" says:
>>
>> "Launch an online update and update the package "kdelibs3",
>> group KDE Basic Libraries. Updating this package solves the
>> problem..."
>>
>> So, all you have to do is use Yast Online Update to update
>> "kdelibs3" to correct the problem. What's so difficult about
>> that?
>
> Suse is already up to date. Launching Yast and letting it run shows all
> modules are up to date with whatever patch files are needed. Running
> "rpm -q -a -i > packages" and searching the resulting file shows that
> kdelibs3 is at version
3.5.5-45 for the support files and
3.5.5-45.2 for
> the base files in the listing. So that is problem number one.
>
>> If you don't have one of the Update Watchers running
>> (e.g. opensuseupdater, etc) you should be manually running Yast Online
>> Update occasionally to check for updates anyway.
>
> This was a new (fresh) install so Yast ran all the updates it could find
> and the menu editor is still broke.
>
> Also of further note there are various sub-menus that have applications
> under them but don't appear, both the sub-menu and application, when you
> look at the desktop menus.
These are default items and are not necessarily installed. If it's in the
menu editor menu and doesn't show up in your desktop menu and you want it
there then install the package...
>
> All in all Novel broke the KDE menu system and failed to provide the
> information, or a functional utility, on how to modify them to suit the
> end user's needs as far as I can see.
No they didn't.. But you might have... As this menu editor is so easy to
use for most of us it must be you....
>
> My motivation is based on the fact that I want to set up the system to use
> a large suit of open source CAD programs, gEDA - scilab 4.1, NEC based
> antenna analysis systems and qCAD. The best way to organize the whole mess
> is with a set of customized menus where I can sort out the various
> utilities by functional group. The last thing I want is a desktop
> cluttered up with a pile of icons or a string of "draws" on the menu panel
> like in Gnome. The KDE desktop looks like the best choice until I tried it
> in OpenSuse. I would use Fedora Core 5 since that version of KDE the menu
> editor works however Fedora Core 5 won't install on the machine I want to
> use so I'm stuck with OpenSuse.
>
> Regards;
> Leland C. Scott
> KC8LDO
