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Author: John F. Morse
Date: Apr 30, 2008 10:37

I have an old AMD-K6 266 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM that I upgraded from
Debian 3.1 to Debian 4.0 by doing the "apt-get dist-upgrade" while on
the Internet.

It was crashing for a few days, but it isn't the Debian OS because it
also crashed when using a DSL LiveCD and a Knoppix LiveCD. I thought
that those tests would eliminate the Debian OS as well as the HDD.

It ran for a week without crashing when running from tomsrtbt on a floppy.

I fired it up again on the Debian 4.0 installed on the HDD and it ran OK
for a week until I accidentally killed the AC power feed which ended the
week's uptime. Then I added a UPS and rebooted it.

It has ran for 5 days without failure until a short while ago.

I had a tail -f running on the syslog and just now when I checked it I
noticed the box was in trouble.
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Author: Robert Harris
Date: Apr 30, 2008 14:15

John F. Morse wrote:
> I have an old AMD-K6 266 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM that I upgraded from
> Debian 3.1 to Debian 4.0 by doing the "apt-get dist-upgrade" while on
> the Internet.
>
> It was crashing for a few days, but it isn't the Debian OS because it
> also crashed when using a DSL LiveCD and a Knoppix LiveCD. I thought
> that those tests would eliminate the Debian OS as well as the HDD.
>
> It ran for a week without crashing when running from tomsrtbt on a floppy.
>
> I fired it up again on the Debian 4.0 installed on the HDD and it ran OK
> for a week until I accidentally killed the AC power feed which ended the
> week's uptime. Then I added a UPS and rebooted it.
>
> It has ran for 5 days without failure until a short while ago.
>
> I had a tail -f running on the syslog and just now when I checked it I
> noticed the box was in trouble.
> ...
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Re: Oops         


Author: John F. Morse
Date: May 6, 2008 18:46

Robert Harris wrote:
> John F. Morse wrote:
>
>> I have an old AMD-K6 266 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM that I upgraded from
>> Debian 3.1 to Debian 4.0 by doing the "apt-get dist-upgrade" while on
>> the Internet.
>>
>> It was crashing for a few days, but it isn't the Debian OS because it
>> also crashed when using a DSL LiveCD and a Knoppix LiveCD. I thought
>> that those tests would eliminate the Debian OS as well as the HDD.
>>
>> It ran for a week without crashing when running from tomsrtbt on a floppy.
>>
>> I fired it up again on the Debian 4.0 installed on the HDD and it ran OK
>> for a week until I accidentally killed the AC power feed which ended the
>> week's uptime. Then I added a UPS and rebooted it.
>>
>> It has ran for 5 days without failure until a short while ago.
>>
>> I had a tail -f running on the syslog and just now when I checked it I ...
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Author: Robert Harris
Date: May 7, 2008 02:47

John F. Morse wrote:
> Robert Harris wrote:
>> John F. Morse wrote:
>>
>>> I have an old AMD-K6 266 MHz PC with 128 MB of RAM that I upgraded from
>>> Debian 3.1 to Debian 4.0 by doing the "apt-get dist-upgrade" while on
>>> the Internet.
>>>
>>> It was crashing for a few days, but it isn't the Debian OS because it
>>> also crashed when using a DSL LiveCD and a Knoppix LiveCD. I thought
>>> that those tests would eliminate the Debian OS as well as the HDD.
>>>
>>> It ran for a week without crashing when running from tomsrtbt on a
>>> floppy.
>>>
>>> I fired it up again on the Debian 4.0 installed on the HDD and it ran OK
>>> for a week until I accidentally killed the AC power feed which ended the
>>> week's uptime. Then I added a UPS and rebooted it.
>>>
>>> It has ran for 5 days without failure until a short while ago. ...
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Re: Oops         


Author: John F. Morse
Date: May 7, 2008 09:26

Robert Harris wrote:
> Well, that is in the slab allocator, so it could well be a driver
> problem. Does your kernel include any non-free drivers (e.g. nvidia or a
> Windows wireless driver)?
>
> Robert

Not that I'm aware of. I don't use nvidia or wireless (or Windows). This
is a headless server, but presently with a keyboard and monitor for
testing. It is also on a LAN.

It is an old AMD-K6 266 MHz box with 128 MB RAM. It was running Debian
3.1 until I upgraded it to Etch. I've done the same on several other
identical computers with 266 and 233 MHz CPUs, and RAM down as low as 48 MB.

I'd rule out the kernel Robert, because it fails with Debian Etch, and
from a LiveCD, DSL and Knoppix. ;-)

It did tun a full week with tomsrtbt. That, if anything, would lead me
to suspect a hard drive issue. Perhaps the floppy-based tomsrtbt and the
memtest86 do not look at the hard drive, so they do not fail. The
LiveCDs, DSL and Knoppix, run from the CD-ROM drive, but might be
occasionally looking at the hard drive.
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Author: John F. Morse
Date: May 7, 2008 15:20

sk8r-365 wrote:
> Feverishly pounding upon a keyboard John F. Morse typed:
>
>
>
>> It is an old AMD-K6 266 MHz box with 128 MB RAM. It was running Debian
>> 3.1 until I upgraded it to Etch. I've done the same on several other
>> identical computers with 266 and 233 MHz CPUs, and RAM down as low as 48 MB.
>>
>> I'd rule out the kernel Robert, because it fails with Debian Etch, and
>> from a LiveCD, DSL and Knoppix. ;-)
>>
>> It did tun a full week with tomsrtbt. That, if anything, would lead me
>> to suspect a hard drive issue. Perhaps the floppy-based tomsrtbt and the
>> memtest86 do not look at the hard drive, so they do not fail. The
>> LiveCDs, DSL and Knoppix, run from the CD-ROM drive, but might be
>> occasionally looking at the hard drive.
>>
>
> ...
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Author: John F. Morse
Date: May 7, 2008 19:11

sk8r-365 wrote:
> If it's the channel, well ... you'll know what to buy ;)
>

I bought 13 of these identical school district junkers for $5.00 each,
and wound up with 13 that still worked!

After adding a $2.50 CMOS battery to each, they are worth $7.50 now. ;-)

I wouldn't put any money into them since I am really only running two
24/7. If I wanted, I could buy an ISA or PCI IDE controller card, but
that probably would be too much.

The original light bulb that went on above my head spelled out Beowulf. ;-)
> Good plan. FYI, if you're not already aware - I've seen that you *are*
> savvy - a LiveCD doesn't need the HD to be attached to operate. Instead,
> it'll be forced to run in RAM alone. Some, like Ubuntu, don't even make
> a ramdisk and the HD is entirely ignored. This is the _only_ means by
> which I test them as a Sabayon DVD wrote to all user's /home/.mozilla &
> .mozilla-thunderbird directories over writing browser Home pages to
> theirs and all email settings were gone.
>
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