"Miriam Cohen"
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news:enmBg.133$cw.65@fed1read03...> Dan Kimmel wrote:
>> "john q. public"
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>>>>>"Dan Kimmel"
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>>>>>>>"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
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>>>>>>>>>Dan Kimmel wrote:
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>>>>>>"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Get these treasonous Israel-firsters out of our government. Let him
>>>>>>>send his kids, not mine, to fight in Israel's wars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With the exception of a few volunteers, some of whom who hold dual
>>>>>>citizenship, no Americans are fighitng in "Israel's wars."
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm talking about Iraq, you idiot. Israel, not america is benefitting
>>>>>from the iraq holocaust.
>>>>
>>>>Bush's war in Iraq has nothing to do with Israel, whatever your
paranoia
>>>>tells you otherwise. Israel isn't benefitting at all from Bush's wars.
>>>>Indeed, if Bush had never been appointed president, Israel wouldn't be
>>
>> at
>>
>>>>war at the moment in Lebanon.
>>>
>>>Please elaborate?
>>
>>
>> Bush has destablized the Middle East and energized all the radical
Islamic
>> factions. He's turned Iraq in a terrorist training ground and bogged
down
>> (and over extended) our military there. Hamas and Hezbollah have acted
>> because they knew they could get away with it. Bush has neither the
>> military nor diplomatic clout to stop them. Indeed, the draft ceasefire
>> agreement required Bush to work with *France*, a country the Republicans
>> were vilifying just three years ago for opposing the war in Iraq.
>
> I'm going to tell you the same thing I said to Sanders, when you accuse
> W of shit that isn't his fault you dilute the *REAL* fuck ups he's made.
> The Middle East is "destabilized" because of Islamofascists, not because
> of anything any American President has ever done.
And I will patiently explain again since you seem reasonable (i.e., you
understand Bush has seriously screwed things up). Blaming him for
destablilizing the Middle East is NOT to let the terrorists off the hook.
OF COURSE Hamas and Hezbollah are murderous scum who are responsible for
their actions. But they felt they had a clear playing field precisely
because the idiot Bush launched his war in Iraq.
>Were the Barbary WarS
> Jefferson's fault? Was Hezbollah's attack on the USMC barracks in 1983
> in Beirut Reagan's fault? Did Iran hold American Embassy personell
> hostage because of Carter? Hamas and Hezbollah have acted the way they
> have because they're crazy terrorists and if there's any reason other
> than the fact that terrorists like to terrorize behind what's going on
> with them right now it was to get stories off the front pages of the
> western newspapers about Iran's nuclear ambitions and when was the last
> time you saw one of those? Seems to have worked pretty well for them;
> wagging the dog Islamic style.
You're completely missing the point. Look, no one (except the loons) claims
that the Nazis and Hitler aren't responsible for the atrocities they carried
out during the Third Reich. But one can note that the way Germany was
treated by the victors after World War I helped pave Hitler's way to power.
They *share* in the responsibility for *setting up* a situation where the
Nazis could carry out their blood-drenched schemes, even though the Nazis
are solely responsible for carrying out their genocidal policies. Likewise,
Hamas and Hezbollah are solely responsibile for THEIR terrorist thuggery,
but one would have to be blind to ignore the fact that Bush has made things
*easier* for them.
