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Author: DevilsPGDDevilsPGD Date: Nov 19, 2007 12:53
In message 4ax.com> Col from Shell
wrote:
>Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
>staff a decent living wage.
Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
directly from the customer.
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Author: Greg ProcterGreg Procter Date: Nov 19, 2007 13:09
DevilsPGD wrote:
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> In message 4ax.com> Col from Shell
> wrote:
> >>Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
>>staff a decent living wage.
>
> Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
> simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
> directly from the customer.
Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
service.
Regards,
Greg.P.
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Author: HagarHagar Date: Nov 19, 2007 13:51
"Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:4741FB93.5376519E@ihug.co.nz...> DevilsPGD wrote:
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>> In message 4ax.com> Col from Shell
>> wrote:
>>>>>Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
>>>staff a decent living wage.
>>
>> Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
>> simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
>> directly from the customer.
>
> Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
> service.
>
> Regards,
> Greg.P.
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Author: DevilsPGDDevilsPGD Date: Nov 19, 2007 14:48
In message <4741FB93.5376519E@ ihug.co.nz> Greg Procter
ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>DevilsPGD wrote:
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>> In message 4ax.com> Col from Shell
>> wrote:
>> >>>Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
>>>staff a decent living wage.
>>
>> Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
>> simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
>> directly from the customer.
>
>Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
>service.
No, it's itemizing the cost of product and service. Combining them is
hiding the cost of product and service. Neither is a lie.
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Author: Greg ProcterGreg Procter Date: Nov 19, 2007 15:04
Hagar wrote:
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> "Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:4741FB93.5376519E@ihug.co.nz...>> DevilsPGD wrote:
>>>
>>> In message 4ax.com> Col from Shell
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
>>>>staff a decent living wage.
>>>
>>> Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
>>> simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
>>> directly from the customer.
>>
>> Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
>> service.
>>
>> Regards, ...
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Author: Greg ProcterGreg Procter Date: Nov 19, 2007 15:17
DevilsPGD wrote:
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> In message <4741FB93.5376519E@ ihug.co.nz> Greg Procter
> ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >>DevilsPGD wrote:
>>>
>>> In message 4ax.com> Col from Shell
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>Or instead visit first-world countries where the employers pay their
>>>>staff a decent living wage.
>>>
>>> Most of the wait staff I know in Canada and the US are well paid, it's
>>> simply that part of that payment comes from the restaurant and part
>>> directly from the customer.
>>
>>Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
>>service.
> ...
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Author: BrianBrian Date: Nov 19, 2007 17:12
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:39 +1300, Greg Procter ihug.co.nz>
wrote:
>Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
>service.
I see little difference in price between paying a lower price and then
adding a tip or paying a higher price with the tip essentially
included.
And there's some advantage because the server is hopefully more
motivated.
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Author: Greg ProcterGreg Procter Date: Nov 19, 2007 17:33
Brian wrote:
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:39 +1300, Greg Procter ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >>Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
>>service.
>
> I see little difference in price between paying a lower price and then
> adding a tip or paying a higher price with the tip essentially
> included.
I would tend to agree, except that a quoted price is a quoted price - do
you tip your bank clerk or the hospital or your policeman???
>
> And there's some advantage because the server is hopefully more
> motivated.
Sure, same with the bank clerk, or the hospital staff, or your local
policeman.
Do you tip your government representative for better service?
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Author: Sarah CzepielSarah Czepiel Date: Nov 19, 2007 18:12
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:33:44 +1300, Greg Procter ihug.co.nz>
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:>Brian wrote:
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:>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:39 +1300, Greg Procter ihug.co.nz>
:>> wrote:
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:>> >Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
:>> >service.
:>>
:>> I see little difference in price between paying a lower price and then
:>> adding a tip or paying a higher price with the tip essentially
:>> included.
:>
:>I would tend to agree, except that a quoted price is a quoted price - do
:>you tip your bank clerk or the hospital or your policeman???
We already pay their salaries. We don't pay the wait staff salaries.
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Author: Greg ProcterGreg Procter Date: Nov 19, 2007 18:55
Sarah Czepiel wrote:
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:33:44 +1300, Greg Procter ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
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> :>Brian wrote:
> :>>
> :>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:39 +1300, Greg Procter ihug.co.nz>
> :>> wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >Tipping is institutionalized lying about the cost of product and
> :>> >service.
> :>>
> :>> I see little difference in price between paying a lower price and then
> :>> adding a tip or paying a higher price with the tip essentially
> :>> included.
> :>
> :>I would tend to agree, except that a quoted price is a quoted price - do
> :>you tip your bank clerk or the hospital or your policeman???
> ...
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