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>On Aug 28, 6:07=A0pm, "Karen"
nospam.com> wrote:>>> On Aug 27, 10:13 pm, "Karen"
nospam.com> wrote:>>
>>>> When you are ready to talk TRUTH and FACTS....you know my email
>>>> address. Use it.
>>
>>>> Karen/snoshoo
>>
>>> Karen, did you send those pictures to John? =A0Tell the truth. =A0Put i=
>t
>>> this way. =A0You don't have to admit you did, but you can tell the trut=
>h
>>> by either saying nothing, or saying you did not. =A0If you say nothing,
>>> then it's not incriminating. If you say you did not, then that can be
>>> on your word of honor.
>>
>> As I posted more than FOUR years ago and refuse to keep rehashing it
>> EVERY time it comes up...which is daily....I was soooo furious with him
>> after I got that disingenuous, but profuse apology...also blaming ME for
>> getting the date wrong...that I refused to EVER again speak to that
>> bastard (John Gilmer). =A0I didn't even know yet that he was MARRIED
>> besides all the rest of the crap he pulled.
>>
>> I decided to print out a stack of emails between us that spoke for
>> themselves. =A0Absolute proof of who said what.... the dates, times,
>> etc....everything in black and white that proved HE was wrong and had
>> lured me to FL with no intention of keeping our "date"....just more
>> JERKING ME AROUND and manipulating me for his sick pleasure.
>>
>> I decided to send him pictures I'd taken at Margaritaville in Orlando
>> and around my motel (where he had "stalked" and tried to "ambush" me).
>>
>> Then, not knowing who I was dealing with like I do now, I thought I'd
>> include the pictures I took *PROVING* that I'd caught him with another
>> woman and that he wasn't pulling one over on me after all. =A0I took them
>> for MYSELF (with my little Easy Share digital camera) because I was too
>> far away to even recognize their features, tho I knew it was them. =A0I
>> wanted to study the pictures later on my computer screen. =A0I was so
>> furious with him that I decided to send these picture to him to show him
>> I'd caught him in his lies and I just ASSUMED he'd be embarrassed that
>> he would NEVER want anybody to know.
>>
>> Then I got the idea from ongoing email with a shady guy in NY (who also
>> posted on alt.obits and often sent me pictures of nude women and young
>> girls which he had on his hard drive) that I should send John some
>> pictures like this. =A0That would really get his attention. =A0What a =A0=
>DUMB
>> IDEA that was! =A0I found a bunch of pictures on a binary group and
>> printed them out. =A0Raunchy stuff but I figured it wasn't anything he
>> hadn't seen with the scores of women he's been with.
>>
>> I had NO idea that something like this isn't supposed to be sent in the
>> US Mail....it's certainly sent all over on the internet. =A0I did think i=
>t
>> was better to print them than email them to him because he *might*
>> decide to share them....or even claim they were ME. =A0 Dumb, dumb....I
>> just was so angry at him that I wasn't thinking clearly. =A0That's one of
>> the worst things about ANGER....people lose ALL sense of logic and good
>> judgment. =A0And my anger hurt ME far worse that it EVER could him. =A0He
>> loves it. =A0I have provided him with a whole new purpose in life....he
>> can be as abusive as he wants to and never have to stop. In real life,
>> he had to...at least with the same woman.
>>
>> I still had the idea that he would NEVER say or do anything about the
>> emails or the pictures of him with blondie or the other pictures. =A0He
>> would be embarrassed and shocked, but would keep this as quiet as our
>> thousands of emails were. =A0Dumb me. =A0Ignorant me. =A0I actually thoug=
>ht I
>> "knew" John. =A0I didn't. =A0He has no acquaintance with "embarrassment",
>> "shame", "guilt" or "remorse". =A0He is not one of my kind of people.
>>
>> In the past 4 years I don't recognize ONE thing about the man I thought
>> I knew. =A0Nothing. =A0I could "talk" to him, share anything. =A0He was
>> understanding, supportive, sensible and controlled...had good judgment
>> and made good suggestions. =A0He promised to "always be there for me"....=
>I
>> took that to mean as a FRIEND. =A0It was understood I didn't want ANYTHIN=
>G
>> else. =A0He had nothing to offer me but his "friendship". =A0And I was
>> grateful to him and tried often to convey or show that. =A0He was patient
>> with me and NEVER got angry or was nasty to me. =A0Any woman would
>> appreciate a guy like that when she was going through a rough spot. =A0Of
>> course, he has perfected his skills and that's how he lures and snags
>> his victims....that charm is his bait. =A0That's how Sociopaths and
>> Psychopaths operate. =A0So few people recognize what is right in front of
>> their faces....until it is too late. =A0Remember Ted Bundy? =A0I've "met"
>> his possible successor.
>>
>> However....I've learned more in these past 4 years about trusting men
>> than I did in my entire adult life. =A0DON'T trust them or think you know
>> how they will react unless you've known them and their families from
>> childhood. =A0Just walk away and figure out how to deal with your own
>> emotions but cut them off and don't explain or expect them to understand
>> or admit anything....or attempt to get revenge or teach them a lesson.
>> Trust that somebody/something else will do that...
>>
>> I should not have sent him ANY pictures at all. =A0Just the email
>> printouts. =A0If he later gave me cause to, I could have informed him wha=
>t
>> I saw and that I had pictures to prove it. =A0If he challenged me to
>> present them, I could have at that time. =A0The only thing DUMBER that I
>> did besides sending him ANY pictures in the mail was to answer his FIRST
>> email to me. =A0He's a fuckin', lying DEADBEAT, CON ARTIST and SWEETHEART
>> SCAMMER who takes advantage of vulnerable women who have some money,
>> preferably an inheritance.
>>
>> I have NEVER denied sending him any pictures, but I DO DENY that they
>> are ME. =A0And John can't prove that they are, because they aren't. =A0Th=
>ere
>> is no FACE on any of the women. =A0Since he has applied black "hair" to
>> one of the photos, I'm surprised he (or somebody) hasn't photoshopped my
>> face onto at least one of them.
>>
>> Now this is about all I intend to say about this. =A0It all makes me
>> nauseous. =A0My stupidity in actually sharing this stuff with him, and to
>> trust that he would react like a mature man, my lapse in judgment and my
>> ANGER at him for jerking me around like he did when I needed support,
>> not manipulation.
>>
>> Now he claims it was ALL because I was "suicidal" for TWO YEARS. =A0It wa=
>s
>> more like wanting to wring his neck on many occasions. =A0He even admitte=
>d
>> to me that he makes EVERY woman in his life MISERABLE. =A0Why didn't I
>> pull the plug on him? =A0I thought I "needed" his friendship and his
>> PROMISES.
>>
>> BAAAAHH...
>>
>> One last thing about the "40 pictures" John claims to have. =A0He has
>> posted 3-4 online. =A0I have no idea how he may have supplemented the
>> collection. =A0I sent many pictures but there weren't 40 nude ones.
>> Knowing him like I now do, he would certainly enhance a few that I did
>> send with various other "goodies" that I didn't. =A0It took him nearly a
>> year before he showed them to the cops...Yeah, right....everything he
>> showed them was accurate. =A0Sure it was. =A0Just like his claims I was
>> "stalking him" on dates when I was in St. Augustine, Orlando and
>> Kissimmee and have receipts to prove it.
>>
>> If there is one thing no human being on this earth should ever
>> do....that is to TRUST John Gilmer.
>>
>> He has NO BOTTOM. =A0There is nothing he won't do. =A0Nothing is beneath
>> him. =A0He has no dignity. =A0No morals. =A0No BOTTOM.
>>
>> I could not care less what comments follow this. =A0It is from my heart
>> and that's the best I can offer. =A0It's more than anybody else here woul=
>d
>> ever do...bare their soul like I do. =A0I tried to be John's FRIEND. =A0H=
>e
>> doesn't deserve a friend like me. =A0He doesn't deserve a friend...at all=
>.
>> He is evil to the core. =A0It shows all the time in his eyes. =A0Every
>> picture. =A0His black spirit reflects in his empty eyes. =A0I am so very
>> glad Jose decided to do what he did. =A0I was very concerned and anxious
>> about the terrible risk he was taking. =A0Just a few days ago I heard
>> about a man in Queens NY who was killed....on the 4th floor of a
>> warehouse where he went to meet a woman he'd been chatting with online.
>> It likely never was a woman, but a male who lured him there to kill him.
>>
>> Yes, I'm glad Jose decided he didn't like the looks of John Gilmer and
>> decided to move on. =A0He was smarter than I was when I agree to meet the
>> evil bastard, who tried to ambush me the night before with a gun. =A0Via
>> Jose Gaspar, Gilmer can wish, dream, and fantasize about meeting me
>> again or talking to me on the phone, but that will NEVER =A0EVER happen.
>> I do dumb and reckless things sometimes, but I also can LEARN. =A0And I'm
>> a MUCH smarter (and stronger) woman now than I was 5 years ago. =A0And
>> that's a good thing, right?
>>
>> Karen/snoshoo aka "Karen Hon"
>
>You are believable, I believe you. You told the truth and now you do
>not have to fear anyone, for any reason. My guess is that everyone
>here who read this believes you, KenSaraSock nothwithstanding, but he
>doesn't count.
>
>The only consolation you have is that you didn't lose your home and
>your money. Twenty years ago, one of the project secretaries for a
>firm I worked for met a man on a cruise who did exactly that. One
>minute she was a middle-aged single woman, the next she was inviting
>the entire company to her wedding. He wiped her out in less than a
>year and she retired on a stress disability and had to declare
>bankruptcy. Very, very sad.
>
>You're right. You don't need to go over this ever again if you don't
>want to... explaining, I mean. Sometimes just knowing that you are
>believed can lessen the burden of the pain and grief over this stuff.
>Making a mistake does not mean you should be cast into Hell on earth.
>Jesus. Even death row murderers are allowed forgiveness. :)
>
>Rock on, Karen. Be sure and get one of those cinnamon rolls at the
>Manette Bridge Bakery on your way to another of your trips. You're a
>person who enjoys life, and let that incident with John become
>something you laugh about with your girlfriends.
I still find it simply amazing how easy sociopaths are able to charm women out
of their money. It was so fortunate for Karen that John met Deborah Lynch just
prior to their date, becausse John was able to con Deb into borrowing enough
money against her house to buy him the bus he now lives in. Deb's house was
subsequently lost due to foreclosure. Since then John has placed at least two
ads looking for other women. John will dump Deb as soon as he gets another meal
ticket. He has done this his whole life and those whom he has victimized have
not stood up to him, although they have had the recourse to do so.
Karen is the only one who has held her ground against John Gilmer - against all
of his lies. I have a great deal of respect for Karen for standing up to a
bully and con man. The others whom were really scammed can go hide their head
in shame and learn something from Karen. She is the heroine here - no one
else...
