> "Lumpy" gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Aug 27, 10:13 pm, "Karen" nospam.com> wrote:

>

>>> When you are ready to talk TRUTH and FACTS....you know my email
>>> address. Use it.

>

>>> Karen/snoshoo

>

>> Karen, did you send those pictures to John?  Tell the truth.  Put it
>> this way.  You don't have to admit you did, but you can tell the truth
>> by either saying nothing, or saying you did not.  If you say nothing,
>> then it's not incriminating. If you say you did not, then that can be
>> on your word of honor.

>
> As I posted more than FOUR years ago and refuse to keep rehashing it
> EVERY time it comes up...which is daily....I was soooo furious with him
> after I got that disingenuous, but profuse apology...also blaming ME for
> getting the date wrong...that I refused to EVER again speak to that
> bastard (John Gilmer).  I didn't even know yet that he was MARRIED
> besides all the rest of the crap he pulled.
>
> I decided to print out a stack of emails between us that spoke for
> themselves.  Absolute proof of who said what.... the dates, times,
> etc....everything in black and white that proved HE was wrong and had
> lured me to FL with no intention of keeping our "date"....just more
> JERKING ME AROUND and manipulating me for his sick pleasure.
>
> I decided to send him pictures I'd taken at Margaritaville in Orlando
> and around my motel (where he had "stalked" and tried to "ambush" me).
>
> Then, not knowing who I was dealing with like I do now, I thought I'd
> include the pictures I took *PROVING* that I'd caught him with another
> woman and that he wasn't pulling one over on me after all.  I took them
> for MYSELF (with my little Easy Share digital camera) because I was too
> far away to even recognize their features, tho I knew it was them.  I
> wanted to study the pictures later on my computer screen.  I was so
> furious with him that I decided to send these picture to him to show him
> I'd caught him in his lies and I just ASSUMED he'd be embarrassed that
> he would NEVER want anybody to know.
>
> Then I got the idea from ongoing email with a shady guy in NY (who also
> posted on alt.obits and often sent me pictures of nude women and young
> girls which he had on his hard drive) that I should send John some
> pictures like this.  That would really get his attention.  What a  DUMB
> IDEA that was!  I found a bunch of pictures on a binary group and
> printed them out.  Raunchy stuff but I figured it wasn't anything he
> hadn't seen with the scores of women he's been with.
>
> I had NO idea that something like this isn't supposed to be sent in the
> US Mail....it's certainly sent all over on the internet.  I did think it
> was better to print them than email them to him because he *might*
> decide to share them....or even claim they were ME.   Dumb, dumb....I
> just was so angry at him that I wasn't thinking clearly.  That's one of
> the worst things about ANGER....people lose ALL sense of logic and good
> judgment.  And my anger hurt ME far worse that it EVER could him.  He
> loves it.  I have provided him with a whole new purpose in life....he
> can be as abusive as he wants to and never have to stop. In real life,
> he had to...at least with the same woman.
>
> I still had the idea that he would NEVER say or do anything about the
> emails or the pictures of him with blondie or the other pictures.  He
> would be embarrassed and shocked, but would keep this as quiet as our
> thousands of emails were.  Dumb me.  Ignorant me.  I actually thought I
> "knew" John.  I didn't.  He has no acquaintance with "embarrassment",
> "shame", "guilt" or "remorse".  He is not one of my kind of people.
>
> In the past 4 years I don't recognize ONE thing about the man I thought
> I knew.  Nothing.  I could "talk" to him, share anything.  He was
> understanding, supportive, sensible and controlled...had good judgment
> and made good suggestions.  He promised to "always be there for me"....I
> took that to mean as a FRIEND.  It was understood I didn't want ANYTHING
> else.  He had nothing to offer me but his "friendship".  And I was
> grateful to him and tried often to convey or show that.  He was patient
> with me and NEVER got angry or was nasty to me.  Any woman would
> appreciate a guy like that when she was going through a rough spot.  Of
> course, he has perfected his skills and that's how he lures and snags
> his victims....that charm is his bait.  That's how Sociopaths and
> Psychopaths operate.  So few people recognize what is right in front of
> their faces....until it is too late.  Remember Ted Bundy?  I've "met"
> his possible successor.
>
> However....I've learned more in these past 4 years about trusting men
> than I did in my entire adult life.  DON'T trust them or think you know
> how they will react unless you've known them and their families from
> childhood.  Just walk away and figure out how to deal with your own
> emotions but cut them off and don't explain or expect them to understand
> or admit anything....or attempt to get revenge or teach them a lesson.
> Trust that somebody/something else will do that...
>
> I should not have sent him ANY pictures at all.  Just the email
> printouts.  If he later gave me cause to, I could have informed him what
> I saw and that I had pictures to prove it.  If he challenged me to
> present them, I could have at that time.  The only thing DUMBER that I
> did besides sending him ANY pictures in the mail was to answer his FIRST
> email to me.  He's a fuckin', lying DEADBEAT, CON ARTIST and SWEETHEART
> SCAMMER who takes advantage of vulnerable women who have some money,
> preferably an inheritance.
>
> I have NEVER denied sending him any pictures, but I DO DENY that they
> are ME.  And John can't prove that they are, because they aren't.  There
> is no FACE on any of the women.  Since he has applied black "hair" to
> one of the photos, I'm surprised he (or somebody) hasn't photoshopped my
> face onto at least one of them.
>
> Now this is about all I intend to say about this.  It all makes me
> nauseous.  My stupidity in actually sharing this stuff with him, and to
> trust that he would react like a mature man, my lapse in judgment and my
> ANGER at him for jerking me around like he did when I needed support,
> not manipulation.
>
> Now he claims it was ALL because I was "suicidal" for TWO YEARS.  It was
> more like wanting to wring his neck on many occasions.  He even admitted
> to me that he makes EVERY woman in his life MISERABLE.  Why didn't I
> pull the plug on him?  I thought I "needed" his friendship and his
> PROMISES.
>
> BAAAAHH...
>
> One last thing about the "40 pictures" John claims to have.  He has
> posted 3-4 online.  I have no idea how he may have supplemented the
> collection.  I sent many pictures but there weren't 40 nude ones.
> Knowing him like I now do, he would certainly enhance a few that I did
> send with various other "goodies" that I didn't.  It took him nearly a
> year before he showed them to the cops...Yeah, right....everything he
> showed them was accurate.  Sure it was.  Just like his claims I was
> "stalking him" on dates when I was in St. Augustine, Orlando and
> Kissimmee and have receipts to prove it.
>
> If there is one thing no human being on this earth should ever
> do....that is to TRUST John Gilmer.
>
> He has NO BOTTOM.  There is nothing he won't do.  Nothing is beneath
> him.  He has no dignity.  No morals.  No BOTTOM.
>
> I could not care less what comments follow this.  It is from my heart
> and that's the best I can offer.  It's more than anybody else here would
> ever do...bare their soul like I do.  I tried to be John's FRIEND.  He
> doesn't deserve a friend like me.  He doesn't deserve a friend...at all.
> He is evil to the core.  It shows all the time in his eyes.  Every
> picture.  His black spirit reflects in his empty eyes.  I am so very
> glad Jose decided to do what he did.  I was very concerned and anxious
> about the terrible risk he was taking.  Just a few days ago I heard
> about a man in Queens NY who was killed....on the 4th floor of a
> warehouse where he went to meet a woman he'd been chatting with online.
> It likely never was a woman, but a male who lured him there to kill him.
>
> Yes, I'm glad Jose decided he didn't like the looks of John Gilmer and
> decided to move on.  He was smarter than I was when I agree to meet the
> evil bastard, who tried to ambush me the night before with a gun.  Via
> Jose Gaspar, Gilmer can wish, dream, and fantasize about meeting me
> again or talking to me on the phone, but that will NEVER  EVER happen.
> I do dumb and reckless things sometimes, but I also can LEARN.  And I'm
> a MUCH smarter (and stronger) woman now than I was 5 years ago.  And
> that's a good thing, right?
>
> Karen/snoshoo aka "Karen Hon"