"Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote in message
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I think his last name begins with an "R". He recently posted an email
account and used "lumpyr". I know nothing of him personally...just what
he posts. Same as what you see. I don't know if there is a hospice at
Kingston. Did you check? How do you know who "Karen Anderson" is, btw?

You don't want us to leave and haven't been "complaining" about the fact
that everybody doesn't use their legal given name, tho you don't? Few
people on Usenet do. How does that make what they write more authenic,
one way or the other?

We've already told you you're going to get your

I think it's the other way around, Sarah. You have thrown shit at
others for YEARS, but now you have picked the wrong people and are
getting it back at least as bad as you've thrown. We are trying to deal
with the FACTS and TRUTH about you and Ken, unlike what YOU are doing
with all your lies, forgeries and altered posts.

No. The THREATS come from you and Ken. Contacting police departments,
twisting facts, altering posts, making serious false claims which you
can't prove, etc.

Tell

How can a website be taken down if "lies are true"?

You have Bill Cmelak's real name. How has that helped him? How do you
give him any special treatment because you know his *real* name? Your
abusive remarks are worse than if you didn't know his name. How would
you treat Lumpy and Jose if you knew their *real* names? How can we be
certain of YOUR real name? It is *somebody's* real name, but very
unlikely YOURS. Perhaps if you didn't forge so many posts using various
other posters names, you wouldn't be so confused. You do that
deliberately to cloud the issue and then you, yourself don't know what
is going on.

When did you last get a webpage taken down? Show us on that page who to
contact and complain to. Go to the home page and read that the author
has everything copyrighted and claims someone else's photos as HIS? He
lifted a photo of Cmelak from his HS webpage and now claims copyright of
it. Who do we complain to?

If Karen Anderson isn't linked to you then what do you care in

Some people care about TRUTH and want to take down an evil person (in
real life) like Gilmer. We don't have to "know" Karen in person to see
the injustice being done year after year to her. She does have several
serious health issues and she is almost 70 years old. She did accept
Gilmer's offers of support and claims of friendship when hit with a
couple of personal tragedies at the same time. She didn't realize he
had an "agenda" that included her.

Do you personally know everybody you ATTACK? You don't care about the
facts and truth. Just the opposite is true of us. Not one person
involved in any of this defense of Karen has ever met her or set eyes on
her in person (including Gilmer who stood her up and missed seeing her
when he ambushed her at her motel the night before they were to meet for
lunch). That has nothing to do with feeling it is the RIGHT thing to
take her side when the facts and truth become obvious in various ways.
Some people who used to support Gilmer have come over to Karen's side
when they saw the light. Her support is coming from many states around
the country and even on another continent and if she'd put up her
website with some of Gilmer's key emails to her, there'd be more
support. I've heard he mentioned you and his opinion of what you do on
Usenet. Wouldn't you like to read that?

See? Now there you go. You are not communicating now with "Cmelak".
But you just fling abuse and it doesn't matter at whom.

I've never met PJ in person but both

How about "what" he is? He lives to promote "who" he
is....."PirateJohn" (not John Gilmer).

Why should he when you and Ken promote it more than he ever did himself?
He leaves it up now for the sole purpose of you making use of it to do
some of his dirty work for him. Enablers you both are and that makes
you as filthy as he is. You don't even CARE if it is true and then you
post that picture of that poor lady you CLAIM is Karen Anderson and
ridicule her. You should be arrested for doing that to her. What has
she ever done to you to deserve what you and Ken are doing to her?
Maybe her name IS "Karen Anderson". See why she's a fool for ever
letting her real name get onto the internet? There are people like you
and Ken out there ...

Ken and I aren't

You should be. You are as bad as it gets on Usenet.

You anonymous nyms are the cowards writing the

You have absolutely NO self-awareness do you? It is ludicrous to read
something like that coming from your filthy fingers.

You're so terrified of anyone knowing what even your

You aren't to be TRUSTED. Who knows what you would do with a recorded
voice and a revealed phone number of the caller? Nobody in their right
mind DEMANDS and pesters people to PHONE them like you do,
Sarah....especially on the Internet. Are you so lonely or do you have
something up your sleeve? What possible advantage does anyone have who
would call you in RI or MD (you appear to be in both places in the White
Pages)? The advantage would be ONLY yours. Some of us prefer email so
we have things in writing. Anybody can say or deny anything that was
exchanged in a phone call.

Did it ever occur to you that there are people on Usenet who are deaf or
have a serious hearing problem? They don't/can't communicate about
important things on the telephone. They do it in writing. Or they
don't want to spend money for long-distance charges or give out their
unlisted/unpublished phone number to someone like you who would plaster
it all over Usenet. Why don't YOU make some phone calls? Or why don't
you simply email or write a paper letter to people you want to phone
you? I'll bet you know how to do that and obtain addresses, too.

While you hide in the shadows, PJ, Ken and myself

LOL....and you squeal like a stuck pig when Jose has been doing just
that. And Gilmer has whined for years about being "stalked" when he
freely posts ALL his personal data on the Internet, including 12,000
private photos. Hoodoo isn't making up all the information he posts
about Gilmer; he has gleaned it right off the Internet put there by
Gilmer's own fingers. Perhaps a narcissist like him should "hide in the
shadows" a bit more than he has when he has so much dirty laundry.

Sarah, I think if you could trace back Karen Anderson's "history" and
find out who she REALLY is (and who she is NOT), you would be shocked.
Why she keeps all that a secret on Usenet certainly hasn't been to her
benefit and well-being. After trusting Gilmer with some pictures and
personal information, he used it ALL against her and added copious lies
to a few truths she supplied in better times. Why risk anything more
like that to happen at the hands of someone like you and Ken by
revealing any further private information(?), I suppose. She could put
a thousand of his emails to her on a website and he'd claim they ALL
were altered, including the headers. Why bother? Better to just give
them to the police departments to keep on file. That is what I have
heard that she has done.

You want people to believe the idiotic nonsense

Look at that in reverse. Why don't you pick up the phone or email
Karen? You would rather believe the "idiotic nonsense" you have been
fed by Gilmer...which says nothing but bad about you. You have admitted
to forging all sorts of "nyms". That would be so nobody believed them,
eh? You have done that (long before any of us came along) with the
long-time members of this group. You exist to cause disruption on
Usenet and to be abusive to everyone in sight. The LAST thing you care
about is truth, facts or that somebody is an actual real-life person.
Which makes you appear to not be a real person yourself but a
sock-puppet of Ken's.

uh-huh ..

Why can't you understand that few people (but the likes of PJ who is
using you for his purposes) want to speak to you? And pay for the call
besides. We don't live in Maryland but in far away states. It doesn't
MATTER if you and Ken are ONE person or TWO. The bile is coming from 2
names and it is identical. The problem is that you are spreading
abusive lies and are befriending/enabling Gilmer in his evil agenda. It
doesn't matter if you are one or two, male or female or hermaphrodite.
The damage you have done to other people's REAL LIFE reputations can't
be fixed. Do you think that speaking to you on the phone is somehow
going to ERASE what you've done, the trouble you have caused not only on
Usenet but in actual lives? You have absolutely NO credibility,
Sarah...and Ken. Nobody is going to trust you an inch. Why should
anybody give you any more personal information so you can use it against
them, possibly cause real pain or fear in their actual lives? Your game
is to cause fear in others, to humiliate and ridicule them with lies or
revealing personal information. You delight in ridiculing anybody who
is disabled or has cancer. You are inhumane and abusive. Nobody wants
to TALK to you on the phone, for God's sake....

Otherwise we're going to believe

You are going to believe what you WANT to. It wouldn't matter if you
found out Karen was a nun or that she might be dead now. You will
believe exactly what you WANT to, the truth and facts be damned. Which
indicates you are dull and stupid and as low as pig shit....just like
your good friend, PirateJohn Gilmer. I hope he wants to borrow some
money from you and sweet-talks you till your panties are wet. LOL

THIS JUST IN (from someone who did try to get Karen's page on Gilmer's
site taken down):

"If google and aol would enforce their terms of service - which I've
also cited within my reports - he wouldn't be able to continue
transmitting abuse for years as he has been doing."

What say you, SaraH? We wait with "baited breathe". ;) ;) ;)