On Sep 3, 4:54Â pm, "Karen" nospam.com> wrote:
> "LumpLoad" gmail.com> wrote in message
>> The only identities who feels like they have plasma running in their
>> veins around here is Karen and Bill C., aka the Nominated. Â Don't any
>> of you find that odd? Â That the two persons who are thought of as
>> crackpots are the only ones who seems like they are anchored to some
>> kind of humanity? Â Bill Cmelak and Karen Anderson, being nominated for
>> actually firing neutrons while the Goat Keepers think they hold the
>> keys.
>
> Hi Lumpy,
>
> I find it frightening....that almost everybody now involved in this mess
> (but me) is totally twisted and devoid of any common sense, logic,
> honesty or human emotions. Â They insist they are superior to everyone
> else and see white as black. Â No matter how much Bill C. presents FACTS
> and TRUTH (all verifiable) and displays HUMAN EMOTIONS, the more he is
> ridiculed and treated like a nut --- BY THOSE WHO ARE THE REAL NUTS.
>
> I've been around on this earth for nearly 70 years and was surrounded by
> good and solid, sensible parents and extended family, friends and
> neighbors all that time...people whom I could trust to be exactly who
> they appeared to be. Â In my musical career I have met and known
> thousands of people...truly the "salt of the earth" and the musicians
> were very talented as well. Â I thought I was a good judge of character
> as I grew older and could sense whom to avoid and where not to go.
>
> To my dismay and downfall, I found my way onto Usenet in the past
> decade. Â It has taken me the best part of 10 years to realize that a
> terrifying percent of people in this world shouldn't be allowed loose in
> society with the rest of us....and that they have computers and have
> found their way to Usenet where they claim to be SUPERIOR to any decent
> person....and seem to actually HAVE more power to destroy others than
> the good people have the ability to defend themselves.
>
> We (Karen Anderson and Bill C.) are human....with human frailities, but
> very human emotions and a sense of RIGHT and WRONG. Â We can't understand
> why TRUTH and FACTS don't get through to the loudmouths on Usenet. Â Do
> these people actually serve on JURIES? Â No wonder the likes of OJ
> Simpson (and many others) are running around free when it was as plain
> as rain that ALL the evidence pointed to him as the ONLY one who
> commited that brutal crime. Â How can people be deluged with truth and
> facts and either are so mentally deranged that they don't SEE it, or are
> so evil that they don't care and just want to lash out and destroy
> ANYTHING or ANYBODY that is GOOD and right and defend who and what is
> wrong and bad?
>
> I believe people like this must have bubbled up from the bowels of Hell
> and are Satan's demons. Â That is my conclusion. Â They have no spirit or
> soul so there is nothing that can HURT them. Â It's like shadow boxing to
> try to hit them with truth and reality because there is NOTHING there.
> It is frightening to me that these people live next door to someone, are
> in check-out lines and at the next gas pump with good people. Â No wonder
> there are so many serial killers and pedophiles who prey on innocent
> children...they easily hide in plain sight. Â There are many people who
> wear the body mask of being a fellow-human being, but they are something
> very evil and if we are trusting and allow them near us, they are as
> toxic as mustard gas.
>
> I have a book called "The SOCIOPATH Next Door" Â Another one called
> "WITHOUT CONSCIENCE" and I will soon be reading "EMOTIONAL VAMPIRES".
> The books answer many of my questions about the kind of people I've
> encountered on Usenet, as well as the better known people like Ted
> Bundy, Gary Ridgway, BTK Killer in Kansas and all the rest of the
> vicious beings that we foolishly trust and think are fellow human
> beings.
>
> "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"
>
> Deep in my spirit, I still believe that MOST people are basically good
> and have a kind and giving heart. Â But I wonder if they will die out in
> coming decades to be replaced by the kind we find on the Internet,
> especially Usenet. Â I believe that *Common Sense* is completely gone
> from TV (except PBS and Documentaries), Usenet and Politics...all have
> far too much influence in our lives if we give them too much of our time
> and thoughts.
>
> We need more laughter and joy in our lives; not abuse and ridicule and
> power over others. Â We should be trying to help other people; not
> destroy them...especially our neighbors and fellow Americans. Â People
> like John Gilmer are consumed by GREED, ENVY and EGO. Â The world
> revolves around HIM and everybody else is to be USED for his purposes.
> What if we ALL were TAKERS like he is and never gave ONE thing BACK ?
> Surely this world would self-destruct in short time.
>
> I KNOW I have the TRUTH on my side, but after 5 years of struggling,
> Gilmer hasn't given an inch and won't admit a thing. Â It's disheartening
> to realize that many people actually DO believe him....tho he isn't
> aware of the majority of people who do NOT. Â Then I begin to see what
> kind of people his believers are and that's even more discouraging.
> He's not so unique after all...there are plenty more like him who live
> their lives to hurt other people in one way or the other. Â It is
> perfectly all right for them to "bend the rules to get what they want
> out of life". Â If they had a conscience or any sense of right and wrong,
> they would hesitate to behave as they do...because it's *not right*.
> But they don't have that "thought police" like the good people do...and
> I guess there's no way to teach them the error of their ways.
>
> So I can only hope that they will return as soon as possible to Satan
> and the bowels of hell where they were conceived and suffer eternal
> damnation.
>
> Now I'm back to my life on the Right Path where there are flowers,
> music, cats and God is everywhere, in everything I see and feel...and in
> the good people that I know. Â We aren't defined by LIES told about us,
> but by what we give and do and feel....and what is in our hearts.
> Therefore, I am still the same person I've always been and just saw (and
> tried to fight for 10 years) against the black side of life, which was
> displayed by the creeping slime that has pretty much taken over Usenet
> now.
>
> Tho he may have used a nym for security reasons, you know that "Jose
> Gaspar" is a real person and a good man. Â You are a good one, too. Â Take
> CARE of yourself...your kind is becoming extremely scarce on Usenet, but
> more importantly in the Real World.
>
> Karen
>
> PS -- I can see the Manette Bridge from here and the Boat Shed seafood
> restaurant, but not the bakery (too many of those pesky evergreen
> trees).
Since I have nothing better to do, I've been ruminating on this
situation between you and John. For the last few days. Both of you
have mostly 'fessed up to what actually happened, so at least the
basic facts are on the table, at last.
Here's what I think, if you care. Internet relationships are guns.
They're either loaded or unloaded. You got deeper and deeper into John
as time went by but it wasn't reciprocated. That happens all the time,
been going on for centuries. He is a weak man by nature, but then
again, that's normal. Many men are. Many are not. The death knell
was rung when he chickened out and stood you up. Again, there's
nothing new or unusual about that.
You had every right to be hurt and angry. I can see why you lost it
and took pictures of him and his girlfriend and went half-mad with the
sense of betrayal and outrage. That's also legitimate and
understandable...sometimes people go batshit and their emotions take
over.
But where the whole thing breaks down is when you got back home, got
those disgusting photos, and actually sent them. You made some
reference to a person you were emailing with who had porn pictures he
shared with you? I think that's what you said, or something close.
That's definitely not normal. By any standards. I could see it if you
were both men and losers and pervs, the internet is home to guys like
that. But what exactly were you doing, getting that stuff?
The only final argument in defense of one's actions is a moral one.
Where is your moral argument, the one you need to use to "win" this
fight with John? You don't have one. After you sent those pictures,
there is nothing in this battle that you can point to and claim that
you are injured. In other words, because all war is chronicled
through the rear-view mirror, you lost when you went to the post
office and got that package stamped.
John Gilmer is no more or less than any of us, in one degree or
another. He backed out of a date. Take all the drama away from this
story, and that's all it is. He's a guy who backed out of a date, and
you're the gal who got stood up. It sucks and it hurts, but it's
about as normal as apple pie.
Now, if you had driven back to the airport and gone home and went to
the mailbox and received a package from him, stuffed full of ugly
pictures of a headless man jacking off with a blow up doll and photos
of your house and whoever..... you would've shit your pants and gone
to the police. You would've believed beyond a shadow of a doubt that
you had a stalker on your hands and my guess is you'd be terrified.
See what I'm saying. Judge Lumpy is issuing a finding of fact, and
that never needs a jury. The facts are as they stand, and you have not
been damaged because your retaliation was more than the original
offense.
You have two remedies here. One is to accept the moral judgement and
face your Conscience, who is waiting for you in your soul. The other
is to compartmentalize this Moby Dick and pretend it never happened.
and leave the world of John Gilmer. If Michael Milken can show up at
prison without his toupee, then you can surely leave this behind you
and be who you are on other groups, sharing RV and travel stuff and
enjoying camaraderie.