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> "Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:46C63059.37FAF6DE@ihug.co.nz...

>> America the Beautiful wrote:

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>>> Greg Procter wrote:
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>>>>>Greg Procter wrote:
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>>>>>>Seth Hammond wrote:
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>>>>>>>"Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:46C0CE18.49FC7D97@ihug.co.nz...
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>>>>>>>>America the Beautiful wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>Greg Procter wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Greg Procter wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, Sarah Czepiel
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What the hell is that, pressboard, particleboard? Does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fatso
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any deck made from that will hold his 350+ lbs weight?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bill's deck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in RI built in 1985 is made from 2x10 joists with [ I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2x6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>decking, all pressure treated of course. The joists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ordered because they were 20 feet long. Talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lifting!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bill and I built it ourselves footings and all. Ken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his deck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>built long before I moved here but used similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>materials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like that crap Fatso plans on using.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Engles can't build. Everyone knows that. Only a decade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ago, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>finally caught on to insulated hot water tanks in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>homes.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All my best woodworking books are british. Too bad the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>brain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>drain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caused all their master craftsmen to seek greener
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pastures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>elsewhere.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It worked for us.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But you're blown insulation blows around in the wind...!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's why I'm having proper insulation in my new house!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well, you know what's best. blown insulation is just one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>option.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not for my house - blown insulation is crap.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not crap, it's just not for your needs.

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The stuff settles in wall cavities and blows around in roof
>>>>>>>>>>>>cavities.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Nope! But I will add it gets hung up on in-wall pipes, wires, and
>>>>>>>>>>>cleats.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If it didn't settle it would fill the cavity.
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Then don't use it. Stuff the walls with gum wrappers for all I
>>>>>>>>>care.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's pretty much the only way to insulate the walls of old/existing
>>>>>>>>buildings without removing the exterior or interior cladding.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Unless you're allowed to have U-F foam there.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One can buy it for DIY jobs but I'm not aware of it being offered by
>>>>>>any
>>>>>>insulation contractors.

>>>>>
>>>>>We can't even get it anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>Urea-formaldehyde (UF) foam was used in homes during the 1970s and
>>>>>early
>>>>>1980s. It is no longer available for residential use because of
>>>>>health-related concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/265y53
>>>>>
>>>>>To further your ongoing free education...
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/ywog94
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>>>>As I'm building a new house it's not an issue.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How do you plan to insulate your walls?

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fiberglass Batts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Will your house have a flat roof?

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, hip roof, 25 degrees from memory. (no snow around here in
>>>>>>Northland)

>>>>>
>>>>>What dopes the snow have to do with anything?

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One needs a steeper pitch angle in snow regions to stop the weight of
>>>> snow buildup.

>>>
>>> A properly build roof can withstand a shitload of snow. I've built some
>>> of my heaviest decks on flat roofs, and we get crippling blizzards here.
>>> So far no problems.
>>>
>>> http://www.shawnryanhome.com/art/chrisflatroof.jpg
>>> http://www.shawnryanhome.com/art/chrisflatroof2.jpg

>>
>> Sure, rooves can stand a fair bit of snow, but it's better if it's not
>> left up there.

>
> Most are so poorly insulated that the snow melts off. Proper insulation can
> have snow build-up all winter long if the weather stays cold.

> Partial melts
> and refreezes drives water up under shingles, causing wet attics, ceilings,
> etc.

>
> I once read of a house built in central Wisconsin where it gets well below
> zero. The owner had it insulated with R-30 on all six sides. His family
> simply living there was all it needed for heat. His first winter there he
> burned a total of four chunks of firewood in his airtight stove, and that
> was because they went away a few times and let the house cool off.
>
> Super insulation more than pays for itself. That can't be said for any
> other building material or house feature....