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> In article <48027C44.5DBD7919@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>
>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>
>>> In article <66eqk4F2jtaj0U1@mid.individual.net>, Seth Hammond says...

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>>news:48022F41.9CDBB91E@ihug.co.nz...

>>>>> Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <4801D4B1.F3391B93@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <47FFB07B.2A676B32@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <47FEE4CA.36A230AA@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <47FEB5BF.E4250C31@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seth Hammond wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:47FEAC65.20DA2FF@ihug.co.nz...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seth Hammond wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:2g2tv35midstjg71eiq7d3psj9qrm2oqec@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:19:49 +1200, Greg Procter

>>>>>>>>ihug.co.nz>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:50:17 +1200, Greg Procter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihug.co.nz>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:59:00 -0700, "Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hammond"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>"Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>news:ccfqv314c8qbo4ndofn8k66n644r9rvu2t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:03:26 +1200, Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Procter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihug.co.nz>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:57:22 -0700, "Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hammond"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>"Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>message

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>

>>>>>>>>:>news:ksjpv355mtfs89ohtdkdknpo2atl0c9iql@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:04:40 +1200,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg

>>>>>>>>Procter

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> ihug.co.nz>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>Seth Hammond wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> "Greg Procter"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihug.co.nz> wrote

>>>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:47FBD220.D1F09E73@ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> > That would be the equivalent of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>trashed

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double-wide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> dumped in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> > featureless desert?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> Hardly. Our doublewides are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous for

>>>>>>>>their

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heating and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> cooling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> efficiency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>The walls fall off in summer and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn them

>>>>>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> winter to stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> warm?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>Seth, the only thing your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double-wides are

>>>>>>>>>>famous

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for are cheap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> nasty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>low standard housing for yanks too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor to

>>>>>>>>buy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> WTF are you babbling about groggy? "

>>>>>>>>>>Doublewides"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are owner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> occupied and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> are not low income council housing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Fat

>>>>>>>>>>Nicky's

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slum dwelling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mobilehomesforsalebyowners.com/allen3.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>And all are built to meet local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> built the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>same as homes built on-site. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference

>>>>>>>>is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>indoors and then delivered to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. Some

>>>>>>>>are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built on steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> frames
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>and called "mobile homes", while others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are built

>>>>>>>>on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wooden frames
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>called "modular homes".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>HTHBIDI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> Yep, plus most I've seen at least have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crawl

>>>>>>>>space

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underneath with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> having full basements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> It's mindboggling to read a comment such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "cheap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nasty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> housing" from a dweller living in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abandoned pig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slaughter house.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>Your mind appears to be regularly boggled!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>A mobile home with a basement - wish I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen that

>>>>>>>>one

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>it's temporary site!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> As you know, the type of modular/mobile home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seth and I

>>>>>>>>>>are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> isn't towable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>Some are - some aren't, but they can all be set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up

>>>>>>>>anywhere.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> Yes that's true, but double wides aren't "towable"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the

>>>>>>>>>>sense

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you slap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> one behind an F150 and hit the road for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend. Double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> require more than one flat bed truck and a police
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escort "

>>>>>>>>>>WIDE

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOAD" to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> get them on site. ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>So a "single wide" would be???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> So a "single wide" would be...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>According to your description a "singlewide" is barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> narrower

>>>>>>>>than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>"doublewide". 18' vs 20'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Double-Wide Homes: 24 ft. wide by 52 ft. long through 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ft. wide by

>>>>>>>>>>80

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I once helped build a five-wide as a clinic for a copper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mining

>>>>>>>>company.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would you move the damn thing, cut it into five
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strips??

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sections are built individually, then bolted together on-site,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as

>>>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern ship construction. Five-wide means five sections. IIRC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each was

>>>>>>>>>>8'

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wide and 60' long, making a final structure 40' x 60'. Each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trailered 160 miles or so.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Err Seth, I spent a decade in the shipping business - they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ships in 8' wide sections and then bolt them together!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Well perhaps a 16' wide still water ship ...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why 8 feet wide??? Around here the limit (AFAIK) is 8.7m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(28'6")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That number is based on the fact that a neighbour's 8.7m wide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>barn was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>trucked in and I was told that was the widest allowable. (so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>perhaps 9m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is the actual limt)

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here in Florida you can move a whole house but the special
>>>>>>>>>>>> permits,

>>>>>>>>escorts,

>>>>>>>>>>>> powerline take-down, etc. will cost many thousands of dollars. An
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8' or

>>>>>>>>10'

>>>>>>>>>>>> wide mobile home section can be towed virtually anywhere...

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Here in NZ we only move whole houses, or part houses if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>>>>really big.
>>>>>>>>>>>Building codes don't allow for anything of a lower standard than
>>>>>>>>>>>real
>>>>>>>>>>>houses.
>>>>>>>>>>>One can live in a caravan (you call them trailers - we call
>>>>>>>>>>>towable
>>>>>>>>>>>utility decks trailers) and even a converted ISO container, but
>>>>>>>>>>>the law
>>>>>>>>>>>is that it can only sit (lived in) for three months.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I've been tutored about caravans and:
>>>>>>>>>> pavement = sidewalks
>>>>>>>>>> loo = bathroom
>>>>>>>>>> sleeping policeman = speed bump
>>>>>>>>>> dual carriageway = double lane road
>>>>>>>>>> central reservation = road median
>>>>>>>>>> car park = parking lot
>>>>>>>>>> aerial = antenna
>>>>>>>>>> boot = trunk
>>>>>>>>>> crackers = crazy
>>>>>>>>>> purse = wallet
>>>>>>>>>> biscuits = cookies
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most Florida counties have statues that only allow mobile homes in
>>>>>>>>>> designated
>>>>>>>>>> mobile home parks. Otherwise at least 5 acres of land is required
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> permanently place a mobile home. The purpose of course is to limit
>>>>>>>>>> their use
>>>>>>>>>> because they can become a real eyesore when the owners let them run
>>>>>>>>>> down. In
>>>>>>>>>> fact when they're brand new, they still look like shit.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think this whole discussion is occuring because of another of those
>>>>>>>>>terminology shifts:
>>>>>>>>>To me, a "mobile home" would be a home that is _mobile_, ie movable
>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>a Winibago or a caravan.
>>>>>>>>>I'm suspicious that Sarah, Seth etc are talking about a home that is
>>>>>>>>>"transportable", something like a works site office built into a
>>>>>>>>>container, although that might better be called "portable".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It can't be that surprising that I've been somewhat confused by a
>>>>>>>>>description of a "mobile home" that apparently isn't a mobile home?
>>>>>>>>>When we get this one sorted we can try "manufactured home" and ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>Greg.P.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, in Florida, mobile homes are commonly called 'trailers.' In one
>>>>>>>>hurricane
>>>>>>>> shelter I informed all the displaced folks that they it was deemed
>>>>>>>> safe to go
>>>>>>>> back to their 'trailers.' I caught some flak for saying that from the
>>>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>>>> home owners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the US, a Winnebago (or any other manufacturer of a motorized
>>>>>>>> camper) is
>>>>>>>>called a motor home. A caravan is called a camping trailer, although
>>>>>>>>the word
>>>>>>>> 'caravan' has a completely different meaning in the US. A mobile home
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> semi-permanent home that can be transported on either permanently
>>>>>>>> mounted or
>>>>>>>> temporarily mounted axles. By semi-permanent, I mean that they can
>>>>>>>> easily be
>>>>>>>> hooked up and transported to a new location, although they are
>>>>>>>> normally not
>>>>>>>> moved once set up.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We come full circle - by the time your "mobile home" is a home, it's
>>>>>>>_not_ mobile, whether or not it was ever mobile.
>>>>>>>Is that stupid terminology or stupid terminology?

>>>>>>
>>>>>> The English language is chocked full of 'stupid' terminology...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you ate a toad-in-the-hole are you eating toads?

>>>>>
>>>>> The cooked beaten egg mixture certainly does look like toads in holes.
>>>>>

>>>>>> Does ten-a-penny have anything to do with money?

>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> I suppose snakes-and-ladders has something to do with reptiles?

>>>>>
>>>>> The operating characters printed on the boards are in fact
>>>>> representation of snakes and ladders.
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> Sixes-and-sevens has something to do with numbers?

>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> Does over-egging-the-pudding have anything to do with food?

>>>>>
>>>>> That has to be a yank thing, adding too much egg to a pudding mix would
>>>>> certainly be a food description.
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mobile homes have evolved over the years. In my younger years most of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mobile homes (trailers) still had axles and tires attached even though
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> normally were not being towed anywhere. But they could be towed with a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> hours preparation. It was not uncommon for mobile homes to be traded or
>>>>>> moved
>>>>>> to other mobile home parks. But over the years mobile homes have become
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> mobile but the name remains.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they are not mobile then they are _not_ mobile.
>>>>> Why don't you call them "tents" or "alligators"?

>>>>
>>>>That they were mobile when they left the factory is a given, you simple
>>>>twit. What happens next to them is up to the buyer innit.

>>>
>>> Logic doesn't work for him, does it? Maybe he ate too many of those canker
>>> infected oranges?

>>
>>Those houses were never mobile

>
> Yes they were...
>

>>sections of those houses were
>>"transportable".

>
> They were mobile.

>

>>Once the home is stitched together it is in no sense mobile.

>
> Tell it to your shrink...