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> In article <66eqk4F2jtaj0U1@mid.individual.net>, Seth Hammond says...

>>
>>
>>"Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>news:48022F41.9CDBB91E@ihug.co.nz...

>>> Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>
>>>> In article <4801D4B1.F3391B93@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>
>>>>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <47FFB07B.2A676B32@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <47FEE4CA.36A230AA@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jose Gaspar wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <47FEB5BF.E4250C31@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Procter says...

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Seth Hammond wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Greg Procter" ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:47FEAC65.20DA2FF@ihug.co.nz...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seth Hammond wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:2g2tv35midstjg71eiq7d3psj9qrm2oqec@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:19:49 +1200, Greg Procter

>>>>>>ihug.co.nz>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:50:17 +1200, Greg Procter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihug.co.nz>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:59:00 -0700, "Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hammond"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>"Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>news:ccfqv314c8qbo4ndofn8k66n644r9rvu2t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:03:26 +1200, Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Procter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihug.co.nz>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:57:22 -0700, "Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hammond"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>"Sarah Czepiel" cox.net> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>message

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>

>>>>>>:>news:ksjpv355mtfs89ohtdkdknpo2atl0c9iql@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:04:40 +1200,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg

>>>>>>Procter

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> ihug.co.nz>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>Seth Hammond wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> "Greg Procter"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihug.co.nz> wrote

>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:47FBD220.D1F09E73@ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> > That would be the equivalent of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>trashed

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double-wide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> dumped in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> > featureless desert?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> Hardly. Our doublewides are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous for

>>>>>>their

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heating and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> cooling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> efficiency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>The walls fall off in summer and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn them

>>>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> winter to stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> warm?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>Seth, the only thing your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double-wides are

>>>>>>>>famous

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for are cheap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> nasty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>low standard housing for yanks too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor to

>>>>>>buy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> WTF are you babbling about groggy? "

>>>>>>>>Doublewides"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are owner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> occupied and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>> are not low income council housing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Fat

>>>>>>>>Nicky's

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slum dwelling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mobilehomesforsalebyowners.com/allen3.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>And all are built to meet local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> built the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>same as homes built on-site. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference

>>>>>>is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>indoors and then delivered to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. Some

>>>>>>are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built on steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> frames
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>and called "mobile homes", while others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are built

>>>>>>on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wooden frames
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>called "modular homes".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>HTHBIDI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> Yep, plus most I've seen at least have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crawl

>>>>>>space

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underneath with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> having full basements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> It's mindboggling to read a comment such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "cheap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nasty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>> housing" from a dweller living in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abandoned pig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slaughter house.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>Your mind appears to be regularly boggled!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>A mobile home with a basement - wish I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen that

>>>>>>one

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> :>it's temporary site!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> As you know, the type of modular/mobile home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seth and I

>>>>>>>>are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>> isn't towable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> :>Some are - some aren't, but they can all be set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up

>>>>>>anywhere.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> Yes that's true, but double wides aren't "towable"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the

>>>>>>>>sense

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you slap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> one behind an F150 and hit the road for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend. Double
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> require more than one flat bed truck and a police
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escort "

>>>>>>>>WIDE

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOAD" to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>> get them on site. ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> :>So a "single wide" would be???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>> So a "single wide" would be...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>According to your description a "singlewide" is barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> narrower

>>>>>>than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :>"doublewide". 18' vs 20'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Double-Wide Homes: 24 ft. wide by 52 ft. long through 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ft. wide by

>>>>>>>>80

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ft.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I once helped build a five-wide as a clinic for a copper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mining

>>>>>>company.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would you move the damn thing, cut it into five
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strips??

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sections are built individually, then bolted together on-site,
>>>>>>>>>>>> just as

>>>>>>in

>>>>>>>>>>>> modern ship construction. Five-wide means five sections. IIRC,
>>>>>>>>>>>> each was

>>>>>>>>8'

>>>>>>>>>>>> wide and 60' long, making a final structure 40' x 60'. Each
>>>>>>>>>>>> section was
>>>>>>>>>>>> trailered 160 miles or so.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Err Seth, I spent a decade in the shipping business - they
>>>>>>>>>>>don't build
>>>>>>>>>>>ships in 8' wide sections and then bolt them together!
>>>>>>>>>>>(Well perhaps a 16' wide still water ship ...)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why 8 feet wide??? Around here the limit (AFAIK) is 8.7m
>>>>>>>>>>>(28'6")
>>>>>>>>>>>That number is based on the fact that a neighbour's 8.7m wide
>>>>>>>>>>>barn was
>>>>>>>>>>>trucked in and I was told that was the widest allowable. (so
>>>>>>>>>>>perhaps 9m
>>>>>>>>>>>is the actual limt)

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here in Florida you can move a whole house but the special
>>>>>>>>>> permits,

>>>>>>escorts,

>>>>>>>>>> powerline take-down, etc. will cost many thousands of dollars. An
>>>>>>>>>> 8' or

>>>>>>10'

>>>>>>>>>> wide mobile home section can be towed virtually anywhere...

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here in NZ we only move whole houses, or part houses if they're
>>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>>really big.
>>>>>>>>>Building codes don't allow for anything of a lower standard than
>>>>>>>>>real
>>>>>>>>>houses.
>>>>>>>>>One can live in a caravan (you call them trailers - we call
>>>>>>>>>towable
>>>>>>>>>utility decks trailers) and even a converted ISO container, but
>>>>>>>>>the law
>>>>>>>>>is that it can only sit (lived in) for three months.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I've been tutored about caravans and:
>>>>>>>> pavement = sidewalks
>>>>>>>> loo = bathroom
>>>>>>>> sleeping policeman = speed bump
>>>>>>>> dual carriageway = double lane road
>>>>>>>> central reservation = road median
>>>>>>>> car park = parking lot
>>>>>>>> aerial = antenna
>>>>>>>> boot = trunk
>>>>>>>> crackers = crazy
>>>>>>>> purse = wallet
>>>>>>>> biscuits = cookies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most Florida counties have statues that only allow mobile homes in
>>>>>>>> designated
>>>>>>>> mobile home parks. Otherwise at least 5 acres of land is required
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> permanently place a mobile home. The purpose of course is to limit
>>>>>>>> their use
>>>>>>>> because they can become a real eyesore when the owners let them run
>>>>>>>> down. In
>>>>>>>> fact when they're brand new, they still look like shit.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think this whole discussion is occuring because of another of those
>>>>>>>terminology shifts:
>>>>>>>To me, a "mobile home" would be a home that is _mobile_, ie movable
>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>a Winibago or a caravan.
>>>>>>>I'm suspicious that Sarah, Seth etc are talking about a home that is
>>>>>>>"transportable", something like a works site office built into a
>>>>>>>container, although that might better be called "portable".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It can't be that surprising that I've been somewhat confused by a
>>>>>>>description of a "mobile home" that apparently isn't a mobile home?
>>>>>>>When we get this one sorted we can try "manufactured home" and ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Greg.P.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, in Florida, mobile homes are commonly called 'trailers.' In one
>>>>>>hurricane
>>>>>> shelter I informed all the displaced folks that they it was deemed
>>>>>> safe to go
>>>>>> back to their 'trailers.' I caught some flak for saying that from the
>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>> home owners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the US, a Winnebago (or any other manufacturer of a motorized
>>>>>> camper) is
>>>>>>called a motor home. A caravan is called a camping trailer, although
>>>>>>the word
>>>>>> 'caravan' has a completely different meaning in the US. A mobile home
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>> semi-permanent home that can be transported on either permanently
>>>>>> mounted or
>>>>>> temporarily mounted axles. By semi-permanent, I mean that they can
>>>>>> easily be
>>>>>> hooked up and transported to a new location, although they are
>>>>>> normally not
>>>>>> moved once set up.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We come full circle - by the time your "mobile home" is a home, it's
>>>>>_not_ mobile, whether or not it was ever mobile.
>>>>>Is that stupid terminology or stupid terminology?

>>>>
>>>> The English language is chocked full of 'stupid' terminology...
>>>>
>>>> If you ate a toad-in-the-hole are you eating toads?

>>>
>>> The cooked beaten egg mixture certainly does look like toads in holes.
>>>

>>>> Does ten-a-penny have anything to do with money?

>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>

>>>> I suppose snakes-and-ladders has something to do with reptiles?

>>>
>>> The operating characters printed on the boards are in fact
>>> representation of snakes and ladders.
>>>
>>>

>>>> Sixes-and-sevens has something to do with numbers?

>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>

>>>> Does over-egging-the-pudding have anything to do with food?

>>>
>>> That has to be a yank thing, adding too much egg to a pudding mix would
>>> certainly be a food description.
>>>
>>>

>>>>
>>>> Mobile homes have evolved over the years. In my younger years most of
>>>> the
>>>> mobile homes (trailers) still had axles and tires attached even though
>>>> they
>>>> normally were not being towed anywhere. But they could be towed with a
>>>> few
>>>> hours preparation. It was not uncommon for mobile homes to be traded or
>>>> moved
>>>> to other mobile home parks. But over the years mobile homes have become
>>>> less
>>>> mobile but the name remains.

>>>
>>>
>>> If they are not mobile then they are _not_ mobile.
>>> Why don't you call them "tents" or "alligators"?

>>
>>That they were mobile when they left the factory is a given, you simple
>>twit. What happens next to them is up to the buyer innit.

>
> Logic doesn't work for him, does it? Maybe he ate too many of those canker
> infected oranges?