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Author: m-urana
Date: Nov 16, 2007 12:14

[response to a questioning of SD's over reliance on western
manifestations of evolutionary potentials being grafted onto other
cultures without a sensitivity to peculiarities)

the reason i believe SD appears this way is their reliance on
research, evidence, and example. on the whole this only gives backing
and flesh to the skeletal concept of vMEMES, but as you say applying...
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Author: Quiet Neighbor
Date: Nov 16, 2007 12:42

Actually, Star Trek had an underlying anti-capitalist skew. The character
behavior may be Americanized, but the themes are almost communist.

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Author: m-urana
Date: Nov 16, 2007 12:55

On Nov 17, 5:42 am, "Quiet Neighbor" spamless.net> wrote:
> Actually, Star Trek had an underlying anti-capitalist skew. The character
> behavior may be Americanized, but the themes are almost communist.
>

there was a joke you couldn't percieve because of the context i
originally sent this in. and i was equating, atleast the appearance,
to the appearance of the ken wilberian "integral movement"... also not
capitalist (Orange vMEME), it is "Second-Tier" (Spiral Dynamics
language), but still very american.
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Author: Tom
Date: Nov 16, 2007 14:08

"Quiet Neighbor" spamless.net> wrote in message
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> Actually, Star Trek had an underlying anti-capitalist skew. The character
> behavior may be Americanized, but the themes are almost communist.

An economy based on abundance rather than scarcity might resemble communism
in some ways, but that's only because capitalism depends on scarcity in
order to exist. You can't sell people what they can get for free. The Star
Trek universe assumes that, what with replicators for stuff and warp drives
and terriforming for unlimited space in which to live, there's really
nothing that anybody can't have for the asking. Now, the Ferengi, whose
economic system is most like capitalism, get around this problem by
elevating acquisitiveness to religious status. We see the same thing among
the Klingons, who only go to war out of a religious obsession with
aggressiveness, not because they require anything that their opponents have.
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Author: m-urana
Date: Nov 16, 2007 17:40

On Nov 17, 7:08 am, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
> "Quiet Neighbor" spamless.net> wrote in message
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> news:nhn%%i.68733$YL5.1766@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
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>> Actually, Star Trek had an underlying anti-capitalist skew. The character
>> behavior may be Americanized, but the themes are almost communist.
>
> An economy based on abundance rather than scarcity might resemble communism
> in some ways, but that's only because capitalism depends on scarcity in
> order to exist. You can't sell people what they can get for free. The Star
> Trek universe assumes that, what with replicators for stuff and warp drives
> and terriforming for unlimited space in which to live, there's really
> nothing that anybody can't have for the asking. Now, the Ferengi, whose
> economic...
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Author: Tom
Date: Nov 16, 2007 19:34

"m-urana" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 17, 7:08 am, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Quiet Neighbor" spamless.net> wrote in message
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>> news:nhn%%i.68733$YL5.1766@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
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>>> Actually, Star Trek had an underlying anti-capitalist skew. The
>>> character
>>> behavior may be Americanized, but the themes are almost communist.
>>
>> An economy based on abundance rather than scarcity might resemble
>> communism
>> in some ways, but that's only because capitalism depends on scarcity in
>> order to exist. You can't sell people what they can get for free. The
>> Star
>> Trek universe assumes that, what with replicators for stuff and warp
>> drives
>> and terriforming for unlimited space in which to live, there's really
>> nothing that anybody can't have for the asking. Now, the Ferengi, whose ...
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Author: m-urana
Date: Nov 17, 2007 08:26

On Nov 17, 12:34 pm, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
> "m-urana" gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Nov 17, 7:08 am, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Quiet Neighbor" spamless.net> wrote in message
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>>>news:nhn%%i.68733$YL5.1766@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>
>>>> Actually, Star Trek had an underlying anti-capitalist skew. The
>>>> character
>>>> behavior may be Americanized, but the themes are almost communist.
>
>>> An economy based on abundance rather than scarcity might resemble
>>> communism ...
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