On Jun 7, 1:16 am, Suzanne
hotmail.com> wrote:> On Jun 6, 8:33 am, Linda Lee
juno.com> wrote:
>>> On Jun 6, 3:59 am, Suzanne
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>>> On Jun 5, 8:32 pm, "I"
homeinmystudy00000000034.com> wrote:> "Pastor Dave" tampabay.rr.com> wrote:>
>>>>> Jesus did not stay physical, but changed.
>
>>>> Explain WHEN and HOWand TO WHAT he changed.
>
>>>> These are all explanations to triey an cover up the very few unsatisfactory
>>>> and contradictory mentions of a Jesus who has come back as a resuscitated
>>>> corpse.
>
>>> Dave, Jesus was resurrected bodily. His body was raised to
>>> an incorruptible state. He was not resuscitated. A resuscitated
>>> body would have to die again, because it would be a body that
>>> had never yet been made incorruptible.
>
>>> Suzanne
>
>> Right. In the case of Lazarus, whom the Messiah raised from the dead,
>> Lazarus was resurrected from the dead and lived to die a natural death
>> again because Lazarus was not yet in an incorruptible state.
>
> Right.
>
>> The Messiah's transfiguration is an indication of what the 'body' of
>> spirits would be like.
>
>> Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James,
>> and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by
>> themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
>> Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so
>> as no fuller on earth can white them.
>> Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were
>> talking with Jesus.
>> Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for
>> us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and
>> one for Moses, and one for Elias.
>> Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
>> Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice
>> came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
>> Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no
>> man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
>> Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that
>> they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man
>> were risen from the dead.
>> Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, QUESTIONING ONE
>> WITH ANOTHER WHAT THE RISING FORM THE DEAD SHOULD MEAN.
>
>> Joh 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here,
>> my brother [Lazarus] had not died.
>> Joh 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God,
>> God will give it thee.
>> Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
>> Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in
>> the resurrection at the last day.
>> Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
>> he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
>> Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
>> Believest thou this?- Hide quoted text -
>
> You and I have talked about the resurrection before and about
> the body of Jesus and what it means when he was resurrected,
> but whatever you believe about his form you show that you do
> believe that he is resurrected and is now incorruptible and is
> in heaven.
I believe the Messiah was God incarnate as the only Saviour and that
he returned to Heaven from whence he came when he ascended following
his resurrection.
GOD SAID:
Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I COME, and I
WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THEE, saith the LORD.
Zec 2:11 And MANY NATIONS SHALL BE JOINED TO the LORD in that day,
and shall be my people: and *** I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THEE, AND
THOU SHALT KNOW THAT the LORD of hosts hath SENT ME [GOD/"the LORD of
hosts"/Yahashua` the Messiah] *** unto thee.
Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy
land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
Zec 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for HE IS RAISED UP
OUT OF HIS HOLY HABITATION. [God's "holy habitation" being Heaven.]
> I am not sure what Dave believes in total but I think
> it is very different from what you believe. I have seen him ask
> others to give their life to Christ, though.
Dave preaches Preterism and somehow believes the Messiah's second
coming already occurred (this belief seems to be based on just a
couple of verses being misinterpreted). I do not believe the return
of the Messiah and Judgment Day has yet occurred.
Luke 24:39 does not mention any wounds in his hands and feet, but I
have read some people think the story of 'doubting Thomas' following
was a spurious insertion designed to contend against a Gnostic belief
that the Messiah had been only Spirit, and I tend to think that is
likely because of the problems with the story.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with
them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen
the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the
print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and
thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and
Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in
the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and
behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my
side: and be not faithless, but believing.
It does not make sense that the body of the Messiah would still be
wounded when he was resurrected and healed to the point of even
overcoming death. That story sounds like something out of a zombie
movie.
> Hope you got my email. I may not get to answer until later this
> week. : )
I hadn't checked my e-mail lately; I will look at it. God bless you
tomorrow.
> Suzanne
