I'm taking advantage of the low traffic on this group to start the
same topic on two separate threads that will reach out to different
groups. So when you see the same topic twice.. understand that it's
because one is being cross posted to 4 groups and the other is to
another set of 4 groups.. I think it will be interesting to see the
different directions.

Thanks in advance,

Phoenix

Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr.