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Author: walksalone
Date: May 15, 2008 15:33

Phoenix yahoo.com.au>
news:e4de9cf8-93ab-43bd-b03a-948376894282@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com

Followups set to aa & posters group
> If your offended by a few scriptures for the sake of secular debate,
> don't read on...

Now if you think I can be offended by claimed holy writ, think again.
> First off, Since I am cross posting to alt.atheism for the sake of
> this debate, I'll apologize in advance for any offense by my post.
> Christians seem to be under the disillusion that the world hates Jesus
> who said:

Who, the missing messiah of the xian myth, the one that failed every
requirement of the Judaic myth? That one? Why hate, the emotion can be
to valuable to waste of the figments of theists imaginations.
> Mat 5:44
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  Does the world hate Jesus or Christians?         


Author: Phoenix
Date: May 14, 2008 22:57

If your offended by a few scriptures for the sake of secular debate,
don't read on...

First off, Since I am cross posting to alt.atheism for the sake of
this debate, I'll apologize in advance for any offense by my post.
Christians seem to be under the disillusion that the world hates Jesus
who said:

Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,

I find this hard to believe that atheist hate Jesus. They may not
believe in him but for that reason, it would be illogical to hate
somebody that never existed by their own claimed belief. Anyways, I
was having this discussion with somebody and they quoted to me:

Joh 15:19 “If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But
because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world,
for that reason the world hates you.

The idea is that the world hates Christians because of Jesus and I
don't find that a logical idea either. So... I'd like to put the
question out there... What is it that you hate?
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  Re: PRAISE TO THE LORD 2ND COMING         


Author: Chaudhry.Nijjhar
Date: May 14, 2008 09:18

Hi,

The Middle Candle of the Menorah should be raised up above the other six of
works. Hypocrite Messianic Jews still keep all the seven at par that Christ
Jesus has NOT come yet. What a hypocrisy?

Watch my Five Videos on the Jerusalem Temple why it cannot be re-built?
Please Pass my email to your friends. Gospel is as simple as ABC but you
need an open heart.

Wants to know whether the Fig Tree bears fruit all the year round or in
specific season? When Jesus made the Fig Tree to wither in Jerusalem because
it had no fruit but plenty of green beautiful leaves, did the Fig Trees in
villages were bearing fruit at that time? Your response would be much
appreciated.

Atomic War is around the corner and you still worship Mammon? How could
hireling Priests sing the praises of God when Mammon is their Master? Was my
anointed Elder Brother Christ Jesus or the tyrant Saul, a hireling of
Mammon? Both were devoted to God. Can I expect that you would promote my
Gospel Videos given for FREE?

Hi Brethren in Christ Jesus and Christ Nanak Dev Ji,
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  Happy Birthday Israel!         


Author: Nancy
Date: May 14, 2008 09:05

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  Re: Jewish is not a race, it's a religion. (Was Re: Will we be punished if we do not keep Mosaic Law?)         


Author: Chaudhry.Nijjhar
Date: May 14, 2008 08:38

Hi,

Jew is not a race or physical self but the spiritual self.

Few of our friends who are interested in Preaching Christianity intend
visiting Israel and see for themselves the historic places associated with
Christ Jesus. We want to make contacts in Israel who could assist us with
accommodation and tours if possible. We can make our own tours. Are there
any reasonably priced accommodation in Churches, Monasteries, etc please
that would serve our purpose? Here is a general post to introduce ourselves.
I have put up Youtube Videos on Christianity and Sikhism.
The Middle Candle of the Menorah should be raised up above the other six of
works. Hypocrite Messianic Jews still keep all the seven at par that Christ
Jesus has NOT come yet. What a hypocrisy?

Watch my Five Videos on the Jerusalem Temple why it cannot be re-built?
Please Pass my email to your friends. Gospel is as simple as ABC but you
need an open heart.
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  Apostle Paul: Why the Christian church has fails society         


Author: Phoenix
Date: May 13, 2008 00:35

Why the Christian church has failed society (from a Christian
perspective).

We all know that Constantine mixed the true religion of the Messiah
with that of paganism! Thats why we have Christmas, Easter and many
other Christian/Pagan practices today.

Christians are hypocrites! What else can be said for us?

Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,

Even Atheist know the bible says this… yet, what threads stay at the
top of the list on Christian web pages?

Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the
land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that
city.
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  Apostle Paul: Why the Christian church has failed society         


Author: Carl
Date: May 12, 2008 23:18

On May 13, 1:40 am, "Chuck Stamford" cox.net> wrote:
> "Carl" nettally.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ff77af82-3e8d-4fb6-b374-b9bb014b85aa@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Chuck, any idea of why these anti-Pauline proponents are unwilling and
>> unable to explain why and how Luke, the disciples present at the time
>> and especially the Holy Spirit all accepted Paul as a true apostle of
>> Jesus Christ? You may wish to take the question rhetorically because I
>> can easily see you coming to the same or very similar conclusion that
>> I have reached.
>
> Because they can't, and that's no knock on them, because no one can. What
> brands them as uncritical propagandists is their insistence in believing
> in
> SPITE of all the evidence there is against that belief.
>
> I just ran across something interesting, written by Daniel Wallace (NT
> scholar) concerning the Gospel of John. I wanted to go over all the
> arguments there are for the dating of the gospel primarily, but stumbled ...
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  Apostle Paul: Why the Christian church has failed society         


Author: Phoenix
Date: May 12, 2008 15:42

Why the Christian church has failed society (from a Christian
perspective).

We all know that Constantine mixed the true religion of the Messiah
with that of paganism! Thats why we have Christmas, Easter and many
other Christian/Pagan practices today.

Christians are hypocrites! What else can be said for us?

Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,

Even Atheist know the bible says this… yet, what threads stay at the
top of the list on Christian web pages?

Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the
land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that
city.
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  Please humor me...         


Author: Phoenix
Date: May 12, 2008 15:29

I'm taking advantage of the low traffic on this group to start the
same topic on two separate threads that will reach out to different
groups. So when you see the same topic twice.. understand that it's
because one is being cross posted to 4 groups and the other is to
another set of 4 groups.. I think it will be interesting to see the
different directions.

Thanks in advance,

Phoenix

Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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  Apostle Paul: Why the Christian church has failed society         


Author: Phoenix
Date: May 12, 2008 10:34

Why the Christian church has failed society (from a Christian
perspective).

We all know that Constantine mixed the true religion of the Messiah
with that of paganism! Thats why we have Christmas, Easter and many
other Christian/Pagan practices today.

Christians are hypocrites! What else can be said for us?

Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,

Even Atheist know the bible says this… yet, what threads stay at the
top of the list on Christian web pages?

Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the
land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that
city.
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