On Feb 2, 1:20Â pm, Aftermath Fan
gmail.com> wrote:> I'm a skeptic. Â I've read probably two dozen books on magick and chaos
> magick but I don't see a lot of discussion about the actual *results*
> of all these magickal operations people are carrying out.
>
> So let me ask bluntly: what results have you seen? Â Most people talk
> about vague BS like "I felt a renewed sense of self-confidance".
> Great. You could do that by working out at the gym or taking a shot of
> whiskey. Â "I perceived protection from infernal enemies." Â Swell.
> Were you ever really in danger? Â Etc.
I see SPACE now, and my whole realationship with TIME is not ordinary
in any sense of the word. Ectoplasm, smoky trails off my body all very
real.
>
> - In other words, why aren't all magi millionaires? Â ;-) Â I know,
> queue the "money isn't everything" stories, but I would think a
> financially independent magus would have even more time to work on his
> craft and there are all sorts of "prosperity" spells and such out
> there. Â It seems a focus of a lot of magickal work but when I ask
> people I get answers like "well, I sold $25 more at the faire last
> weekend than what I expected."
Money is Magick. When you can see that you both won't need it, and
it'll come to you anyway. Nature Fucks a Vaccuum.
>
> - Have you ever invoked or conjured something? Â And I don't mean
> something that was just dancing around in your head.
Sex with spirits, glowing orbs of light, kinda private activity
really, possession by ones Divine Dual Oversoul
>
> - Have you ever done any love or attraction magick and had an actual
> result with it?
Yup, got my last boyfriend that way, in retrospect I shouldn't have
done it... Fucked him without penetrating him (you should have seen
the muggle wow was he scared when he realized what I was doing, haha,
he CRIED). Possessing other people is fun, reading their minds.
Proximity is important though.
> - The history of magick is littered with fantastic tales of spirits
> appearing, summoned angels, etc....but I don't hear a lot about it in
> the current tense.
What do you think spirits should look like? Maybe they don't show up
cause they don't like you? Maybe thats not a bad thing.
>
> I realize that someone who sits in a barn in the desert and casts
> magick to find his true love and never leaves the barn would have to
> be an extraordinary magus indeed for it to work. Â Likewise, a spell to
> meet $SOME_MOVIE_STAR at your local 7-11 at 7:30pm next Tuesday has a
> low probability of success. Â But if the only spells that succeed are
> those that have a high probability of success anyway, I remain
> skeptical. Â Most of the "effects" I read about are so small or
> imperceptible that I doubt they exist.
Surf the Luck plane, and the first most important rule of Tactical
Practical Majik IS GET OFF YOUR ASS. the Second is EXPECT MIRACLES BUT
DON'T GO LOOKING FOR THEM, SEE THEM! the last one is kinda yodaism so
forgive me: Their is no try there is only You.
>
> So are they bad magicians? Â Or is it all hooey?
>
> I'm skeptical because
>
> - a lot of descriptions of results seem really vague, as I mentioned.
>
> - a lot of "methods of gnosis" are what we used to call "getting high"
> in college. Â Yes, I've read enough chaos writers to understand what
> they're driving at with gnosis, but if the only time you see any
> effects ("I summoned an infernal servant!") was when you were out of
> your skull on mushrooms, then I remain skeptical. Â If the homonculus
> cooks you breakfast the next morning when you're sober, that's
> something else.
It's possible to get HIGHER without drugs than with them, though it's
a nice short-cut, plus play with your perceptions enough and OTHER
people will have to see what you see because you've become a HIGHER-
ORDER OBSERVER, the universe itself takes notice and BiG bAdDa BoOm
you'll cast spells when you SNEEZE, conjure entities while sitting
down smoking ciggarrettes, manipulate others just by really really
really wanting them to do something. Patience is important though
because all majik processes are programmes and some have longer
loading times than others.
>
> I'll share my own experience, briefly. Â I have cast magick three
> times, all using what Grant Morrison calls "the wank technique" - the
> basic stuff right out of "Practical Sigil Magick," Osman Spare, etc.
> All three times I was shooting (no pun intended) for money. Â The first
> time I won $6 in the lottery. Â The second and third time, nothing.
> Perhaps my novice magickal ability to enhance the probability of this
> event was weak, but I didn't really have another path for gaining
> money. Â It was just an experiment. Â I've certainly won $6 in the
> lottery many times in my life before (it's the lowest prize).
Keep it up! and stop worrying about money so much, a lust for results
will often get in the way of them happening. Just be a Taoist King,
sit down and rule everything around you. Sending $30 bux to "Bob"
makes it really easy. And you don't have to ever sacrifice anything
else again ever. But of course if "Bob" doesn't come to you first
you're probably not going to have it really easy. He did with me
though, so I'm really bragging about being a natural born overman and
all. Reading too much can also get in the way of your personal path.
Do more, think less. Or at least stop thinking with your brain alone.
