On Sep 15, 4:59 pm, Erwin Hessle
erwinhessle.com> continued his
moronic displays of ignorance and impotence:> On Sep 15, 4:03 pm, Rufus Opus
gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 15, 3:15 pm, Erwin Hessle
erwinhessle.com> wrote:
>> Bad news, Erwin, that's what magick is. Belief.>
> Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
>
> You really don't know the first thing about magick, do you?
If what you know about is magick, Erwin, then I'm proud to say I don't
know much about that.
But you've demonstrated repeatedly for years on this usenet group that
you haven't got a fucking clue about magick.
> For the last time, you shit-for-brained, weaselling little
> cocksmoker:
>
> "your statement, even if it was right, is certainly no grounds for
> supposing that 'there is a sentient creative force' which was the
> point you were arguing against."
>
> The "point you were arguing against" is the point that "your
> statement...is certainly no grounds for supposing that 'there is a
> sentient creative force'", which you stated you believed it was. This
> is not complicated. It shouldn't be this difficult for you to figure
> it out, but then again, you are a complete tomfool, as you persist in
> demonstrating.
Erwin, if that's what you meant to say, I'd suggest going back to your
local community college and taking some remedial English classes.
On second thought, they teach things at a higher level than you'd get.
Try finding an English as a second language course where they start
with simple sentence structure.
> You can try to run away and hide as much as you like, there's no
> escaping it. You may as well admit it before you look even more
> stupid, if such a thing is even possible.
Erwin, you've demonstrated your understanding of basic communication
concepts is almost equivalent to your understanding of practical
magick. Carry on, nincompoop.
> Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha! "American public school system"! No
> wonder you're such a dumbass!
Did I say I attended one, oh wise and observant one? No, genius, I
didn't. But even if I had, I'd still have learned in the third grade
how clauses work.
>>> OK, since you've brought it up, let's have a look at your "public
>>> record of 'magickal work'", shall we?
>
>> No, you brought up my public record of magickal work, dipshit.
>
> No, I didn't, you ignorant little twat. What I brought up was your
> hysterical litany of public bullshit. I specifically told you that it
> wasn't a "public record of magickal work", in addition to putting the
> term in quotes. A "magickal record", even when spelt correctly,
> contains details of operations performed and details of results which
> can be at least tentatively traced back to the operations in question.
So you have one, then? Funny, I asked about that and you still haven't
given an example.
> *Your* "record", on the other hand, contains a few vague and laughable
> snippets about anointing pots and lighting candles around it,
> gathering dirt, collecting "orgone generators", and reading some bits
> out of the Goetia, followed by some irrelevant snippets about not
> winning the lottery, working overtime, and some chick at work nearly
> crying, together with some wild and nonsensical speculation that one
> caused the other, and a few blatent lies about "conversations with
> Bune".
Erwin, you've got to realize that some people on this list really do
magick. We aren't all like you, posting and reading crowley with a
bottle of baby oil in one hand and our cocks in the other.
And the funny thing is, you really think you're making points here.
You honestly believe you're right. Fucking incredible.
I get correspondence from around the world from my site, Erwin. The
experiences of real life magicians, from Africa, Thailand, South
America, and Israel are consistent with my results. Arabs in Gaza get
the same kinds of conversations with djinn that I have with the goetic
spirits. Israelis in Jerusalem have the same experiences with the
angels of the Shemhamephorash as I get with the Planetary
Intelligences. Palos in Florida and Las Angeles get the same results
as I do.
You, on the other hand, can read what I wrote and see only imagination
and "blatant lies." One shithead on a list makes a public ass of
himself mocking my work, while globally people have noted that my
experiences match up with their own from various traditions.
Hmmm.
Who's the one who's doing Magick, Erwin? Obviously it must be you,
right? Everyone else must be living in a nice little delusional world
where they get what they want to have happen through Working with the
spirits of their culture, and you think they're lying.
I'd love it if you would do some magick, Erwin.
> If you think this constitutes a "magical record", that it constitutes
> "real magick at work in a real magician's life", then you are indeed a
> bigger cunt than even I thought. Where is your discussion of
> alternative explanations? Where are your times, dates and conditions?
> Where are your hypotheses? Where is the skepticism? Where are the
> controls?
Erwin, what are you talking about? A fucking Lab book? This is magick,
it's not High School biology. You've been reading too many Llewellyn
and Weiser books. The "magickal diary" they describe is for people who
can't trust themselves, a tool to convince yourself that magick is
real. It's a crutch for the inexperienced. You don't find any notion
of this shit in advanced works, only in the beginner books that seem
to have formed the entirety of your knowledge. You do know that the
Golden Dawn was the kindergarten of the occult, don't you? You are
aware it was not the advanced work they were teaching, right? It's a
college prep course. The RR et AC were the college, and here's a hint,
they didn't publish their Works.
Dumbass.
Seriously, Erwin, do you think Crowley's magickal record had all that
shit in it? Did any of his disciples? No, as a matter of fact, they
didn't. Read the records, quit talking out your ass. Here's a sample
of a magickal record of one of Crowley's discipuli:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib97.txt
Gee, are any of the things you mentioned to be found in here? Your
complete lack of any knowledge of actual magick is showing itself yet
again. Walk away from the publications of the 1990s, Erwin, and enter
the world of real life magick.
here's a clue: It's not all in your head.
> And only nine brief entries in a year?
Yes, the Work worked, and I haven't had much time to do much more with
it. I've gotten everything I wanted so far.
> This is not a "magickal record", cockfag, it's the record of a
> schoolboy's daydream, wishful thinking and the usual "I'm a badass
> black magickian 'cos Bune will kick your ass!" type fantasies. What
> you have there makes a mockery of the whole concept of magical
> records, pure speculative and risible bullshit written for the express
> purpose of fulfilling your own risible delusions. I'm sure you
> "believe" it's a real "magickal record" though, right?
See above, moron.
> You claim to be a "real magician", but time and time again you
> demonstrate that you don't have the first fucking clue what a magician
> is. What you are, sunshine, is a pretender. And you can't even pretend
> right. Your mind is far too woolly to even convincingly fake a magical
> record, let alone to produce a real one. You just aren't cut out for
> this lark.
And what you are is an armchair magician. Hell, you're not even that.
You've got your set of standard posts, your set of terms, and the
ability to recognize a few magickal terms. That's it, Erwin. You've
got nothing, nothing at all to show for yourself or your work other
than "8=3" at the end of your posts. You're worse than pathetic.
> As per above, if you want to discuss records, then you produce a
> genuine one first, or continue to demonstrate yourself to be a coward
> and a fake-blowhard.
Chickenshit.
>> And you didn't answer the question, you cowardly piece of filth. Where
>> is your record of magickal practice?
>
> Bwaaaahahahahahaha! Not at home to Mr Tetch, are we?
>
> I've posted more records of magical practice on this very group that
> you ever will manage, sonny, including your laughable crock'o'shit
> blog, which I've already explained to you is not a "record of magickal
> practice" at all. You're too much of a newbie to remember that,
> though, which is one reason you keep making such a total twat of
> yourself, as you get told so often.
You can convince yourself of that if you like, dear boy, but I tell
you, the traffic you've generated in the last twenty-four hours and
the proceeds (I've made $300 this weekend off your bad press) has made
putting up with your shit worth it.
And Erwin, I've searched the record of this group, and in the last two
years, I can't see any magickal record you've posted. Provide a link,
asswipe. Just one. If you've got so many, finding a single example to
point to shouldn't be too difficult for you.
All I saw was you braying like a donkey and being made to look like an
idiot by people who do magick. Repeatedly.
> You notice incorrectly, then, since I gave the address two lines
> later. Look, you quoted it yourself, dumbass.
>
>>> For instance, here's an excerpt from "2007-03-17 - General Update" on
>>> our fuckwitted frend's "spirit pot" operations:
>
>
> See? Blind as well as stupid, eh?
Meh, I don't claim infallibility, but I'd rather be wrong about that
kind of thing than be as utterly unable to hold a conversation on
magickal practice as you are.
>> It's not praying to Bune, shit for brains. But I wouldn't expect you
>> to understand that. This would be magick, which is obviously beyond
>> your comprehension.
>
> But, according to you, "magick is just belief", so you just "believe"
> that, right?
There you go again, demonstrating your ability to read. Please,
provide any evidence that I've said "Magick is just belief."
But I guess revisionist memory is the only way you can feel good about
your pathetic excuse for a life, eh?
>> Let's see, if you're right, then the average salary for my position
>> should have gone up the same amount for everyone doing my job. But
>> wonder of wonders, it didn't. It went up a whopping $0.50 an hour.
>> What's different? Hmmm.
>
> You never studied economics, did you?
I guess studying economics would explain why I'm making more than
everyone else doing my job.
>> Not
>> only have I done some practical magick, I've put it up for everyone to
>> see and draw their own conclusions about.
>
> Where? I hope you don't mean that spirit pot shit, because that isn't
> "practical magick". Quite the contrary, it's thoroughly *impractical*,
> and certainly not magick, since it quite obviously doesn't work, and
> you don't even try to demonstrate that it does.
Considering the extensive amount of evidence you've provided that you
understand and have performed magick, I must now bow to your
authority.
Not.
You wouldn't know magick if a lead talisman of the Throni fell on your
head.
> You wouldn't know "substance" if it smacked you in the face, quite
> apart from the fact that what you "offered" certainly doesn't contain
> any. You'd never present anything of substance, because if you did,
> even you would be forced to admit that this web of fantasy you've
> built for yourself is a complete pile of horseshit. It's only your
> lack of substance that keeps your house of cards together, as I've
> told you time and time again.
Blah blah blah, wordsworth. You've got nothing to show for yourself,
so you make fun of people that do. You're sad and worthless. Nothing
but words, years of posts to a usenet to make you feel good about
yourself, but no practical experience of the subject you pride
yourself on knowing so much about.
> Really? Then name one from your site, and tell us its demonstrable
> uses.
>
> I bet a pound you can't.
Well, you've already read it and missed one method that worked so well
it got mentioned in Hermetic Virtues, Erwin, so that's enough proof
for me that you wouldn't get any additional use out of my sites. So
don't worry your befuddled little head over it, baby. You stick with
the kindergarteners. Play your little games on the school yard. I'll
keep doing magick, making money off people who are interested in doing
magick, and getting rich, living large, and enjoying my life. Doing
magick.
While you sit around and feel good about yourself because you read
liber null AND magick in theory and practice, once. Let's see, you've
probably read something by Tyson, too, but not the Three Books of
Occult Philosophy, of course. Maybe the Magician's Workbook?
Laughable.
We can continue this conversation when you've done some Work, Igor.
-R.O.
